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Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please

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On 6/27/2012 5:09 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> You calling the conventions a "religion" neither invalidates nor diminishes
>> the value of the official conventions.
>
>       I do not contest the value of the official conventions.  I do say
> that they are not the only conventions that can be used.
>
>       The official conventions (or any others for that matter) are a
> religion when they are shoved on people regardless of the situation.
>
>       Your disdain for different conventions "neither invalidates nor
> diminishes the value of" different conventions.

I think you have misunderstood the purpose of a coding convention.

It is not about what is the best way to write certain things.

It is about having everybody writing things the same way to
make it easier to read other peoples code.

That automatically gives the standard convention more points
than the alternatives.

So unless one has specific knowledge about the OP's context,
then the only plausible advice is to go for the standard.

>> Your pitch for unconventional conventions violates the spirit and purpose
>> of the conventions, which is to provide a common basis for the community
>> to communicate their source code.
>
>       My conventions are intended for me.

So you use the concept invented to make code more readable for other
for yourself.

Hmmm.

>> Your overtly anti-social and self-aggrandizing approach is not suitable
>> for playing nicely with others. Be less snarky about the choice to go with
>
>       No, *your* overtly anti-social and self-aggrandising approach is
> not suitable.  I gave up on Java, partly because the language making
> certain things that I need awkward to do and partly because of the
> snarking.
>
>       I remember posting one example of code that I was having trouble
> with.  It was short and simple and I detailed what I was having
> trouble with.  One of you Java religion twits responded that I was not
> using the standard variable-naming convention and did not reply at all
> to my problem.  This sort of abuse happened too many times for me to
> care much about the Java community or its standards.
>
>       I follow this newsgroup still because there are some good
> technical discussions.  I hope to never have to code in Java again.

The assumption is that people that post here are interested in learning.

That includes naming convention.

If they are not, then I don't know why they are here.

>> the industry standards, please. I know it makes you feel all important and
>
>       I state that I have my preferences.  If you want to use the
> official conventions, go ahead.  I have never snarked anyone for doing
> so.

Nobody care how you write your code.

If you want to write the entire class in a single line then do it.

But do not try to tell other that it is an acceptable way to write code.

>> powerful and all, but it doesn't serve those wishing to learn how best to
>> be *professional* Java programmers.
>
>       It does nothing of the sort for me.

No. Because you are not interested in learning.

Your choice.

But do not try to lead other that route.

Arne

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I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-25 15:31 -0700
  Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please markspace <-@.> - 2012-06-25 16:15 -0700
    Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-25 16:47 -0700
      Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please markspace <-@.> - 2012-06-25 18:10 -0700
        Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 13:04 -0700
          Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-26 14:01 -0700
          Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-06-26 17:21 -0400
            Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 14:44 -0700
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 14:56 -0700
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-06-27 18:13 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 18:48 -0700
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-06-27 15:21 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Jail Bush Cronies <do.not@ask.me> - 2012-06-27 18:46 -0400
          Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please markspace <-@.> - 2012-06-26 14:25 -0700
            Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 14:32 -0700
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-26 17:49 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 15:20 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 17:30 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 18:09 -0700
        Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-02 11:21 +0200
      Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-25 18:36 -0700
        Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 13:24 -0700
          Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 13:49 -0700
          Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-26 14:04 -0700
            Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 14:34 -0700
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-26 16:26 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 16:47 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-26 20:04 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-26 22:18 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-06-26 22:59 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-27 21:30 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-02 11:32 +0200
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-02 09:47 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-26 20:06 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 11:42 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-27 14:09 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-06-27 15:11 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-27 21:59 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Devil's Advocate <legal@hell.org> - 2012-06-27 22:17 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-27 21:40 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-27 19:12 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-06-27 20:47 -0500
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-27 19:12 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-27 21:28 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-27 19:14 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Hydrangea <hydrangea393@foo.mail.quuzzle.edu> - 2012-06-27 22:28 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-27 21:05 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-27 22:32 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-27 21:08 -0700
          Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please markspace <-@.> - 2012-06-26 14:10 -0700
            Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 14:35 -0700
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-26 17:51 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 15:20 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-26 19:35 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 16:44 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-06-26 22:06 -0400
          Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-06-27 08:15 -0700
        Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 18:36 -0700
          Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-27 18:54 -0700
            Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please B1ll G4tes <wm.gat3s@micro5oft.quux> - 2012-06-27 22:23 -0400
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-06-28 09:55 -0700
            Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-28 04:02 -0700
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Mike Winter <mlwinter@gmail.com> - 2012-06-28 04:55 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please markspace <-@.> - 2012-06-28 07:33 -0700
                [OT] Message IDs (Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please) Mike Winter <mlwinter@gmail.com> - 2012-06-28 08:45 -0700
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                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-28 09:44 -0700
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-06-28 12:51 -0400
                Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please markspace <-@.> - 2012-06-28 09:58 -0700
              Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please markspace <-@.> - 2012-06-28 07:32 -0700
  Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-06-26 03:49 -0700
    Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-26 13:59 -0700
  Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-06-29 08:12 -0700
    Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-06-29 10:02 -0700
    Re: I need a different approach - suggestions please bilsch <bilsch01@gmail.com> - 2012-06-29 13:07 -0700

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