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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: Arrays in java |
| Date | 2012-07-11 17:08 -0700 |
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:21:48 -0700 (PDT), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Roedy Green wrote:
>> Lew wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>> >Know. Don't guess. Read the JLS.
>>
>> And I have explained to you many times that not everyone can make hide
>> nor tail of that lawyerly document. YOU can, but perhaps only one in
>> 100 programmers can accurately decode it. It is plain rude to demand
>> newbies use it. Encourage them yes, but don't pretend it as a skill
>
>It is plain stupid and evil of you to recommend that newbies not use it.
Why? It probably is not intelligible by them.
>It is the seminal authoritative document that defines Java.
Sure.
>Your rabid insistence that people ignore it is a huge disservice to those
>learning the language.
He is not doing that.
>> everyone is suppose to master to justify their existence. You are
>> using it like some frat hazing.
>
>Which is the better advice in computer programming, to study toward
>an understanding in depth the core definition of the language, or
>to avoid studying the definition of the language?
How about not excluding the middle? I read the spec for
JavaScript and had to give it up partway because so much of it was
just not worth the trouble. Some of it, yes, but other parts were not
very clear for someone studying for use. I expect the JLS has the
same trouble. Most language specs are not written for app programmers
but rather language implementers.
>What is your problem that gets you foaming at the mouth for the
>mere suggestion that the JLS is the core and pinnacle of knowledge
>about the definition of the language? Your attitude is as inexplicable
>as it is hostile and damaging to those seeking better knowledge.
If you are looking for hostility, consider your own.
>> I further hazard a guess your own ability to decode is somewhat higher
>> than it is in reality. You just assert your interpretation is the
>> correct one. Any time I read that fool think I can come up with 4
>
>Show me where I'm wrong. I'm open to learning new things.
>
>Are you?
>
>Why are you so adamant that others recapitulate your shortcomings?
I think he is trying to avoid them hitting a wall.
>> possible interpretations. . The fault it is the document. It was not
>> written for average programmers but to settle lawyerly disputes over
>> compiler compliance. That is why they are so many text books to
>> explain these things in English to programmers.
>
>What exactly do you find unclear about
>
>“Brackets are allowed in declarators as a nod to the tradition of C and C++. The general rules for variable declaration, however, permit brackets to appear on both the type and in declarators, so that the local variable declaration:
>
>“ float[][] f[][], g[][][], h[]; // Yechh!
>
>“We do not recommend "mixed notation" in an array variable declaration, where brackets appear on both the type and in declarators.”
>
><http://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se7/html/jls-10.html#jls-10.2>
>
>I would be glad to help you with it.
That an individual example is clear does not prove that the whole
is clear. Even if all examples are clear, it does not mean that the
whole coheres.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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