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Re: FireFox Bug 856969 -Too much recursion error with Java LiveConnect Applet

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On 4/21/2013 6:17 PM, Qu0ll wrote:
> "Richard Maher"  wrote in message news:kl01s2$6kq$4@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> Apologies for the lack of indentation, reply at the end...
>
> On 4/16/2013 7:01 PM, Silvio wrote:
>> On 04/16/2013 11:47 AM, Richard Maher wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Is everyone at Java engineering just used to being bitch-slapped in
>>> public these days or does Larry look after his assets?
>>>
>>> Cheers Richard Maher
>>
>
>> Applets are an archaic artefact and Larry does not give a damn about
>> them. The same goes for the browser developers.
>>
>>
>
> Bollocks!!!
>
> As can be seen from
> http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/oracle-fixes-42-holes-in-java-to-revive-confidence-20130417-2hz6n.html#ixzz2QfmbSO5B
>
> there is an aggressive (albeit reactive) effort to firm-up Applets. Let
> alone the giant strides that were made with the new applet plugin circa
> 6.10.
>
> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/jweb/applet/applet_execution.html
>
>
> Yet another parrot with the HTML5 mantra :-( SVG? SVfuckingG? Are you
> serious??? Have you not seen what Adobe Flex does or do you just choose
> to be blind? Then what about WebWorkers and WebSockets? Has anyone seen
> two other functionally deficient and naive pieces of shit since kosher
> BLTs?
>
> Anyway if there are other than fanbois here can I please have a "me too"
> at: -
>
> https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/details/784918/out-of-stack-space-error-with-java-liveconnect-applet#details
>
>
> and
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=856969
>
> and if you're really lonely: -
>
> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?can=2&start=0&num=100&
>
> q=&colspec=ID%20Pri%20M%20Iteration%20ReleaseBlock%20Cr%20Status%20
>
> Owner%20Summary%20OS%20Modified&groupby=&sort=&id=129528
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Richard, I used to be a very strong proponent of applets.  However, the
> browser manufacturers are so hell-bent on making the applet user
> experience so incredibly painful that I no longer think they are a
> viable technology. The applet user virtually has to jump through flaming
> hoops just to launch one of these things nowadays.
>
> Don't get me wrong, applets are and always will be superior in what they
> can achieve over HTML but as no one but Oracle wants them to succeed
> (and even then that's questionable), I just can't see them ever
> achieving any penetration into the world of web applications.
>
> Added to this is the extreme hit that "brand Java" is taking in general
> with the frequent and recurrent security issues.  Perhaps it's been
> blown out of proportion by the anti-Java crowd but there's no doubt that
> public faith in anything Java running in a web browser is at an all-time
> low.
>
> For Java-based UIs, there's really only one choice: JavaFX.  And it's a
> really good choice!  With most vendors releasing native apps instead of
> HTML-based apps on many platforms now, JavaFX provides an excellent way
> to leverage the power and functionality of the Java platform.  And, if
> you still insist, it *does* in fact run inside a web browser :-)
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
> _________________________________________________
> Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com
> [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]


It's hard hearing that from someone whose IT opinion I respect.

I've believed for years that JavaFX was still-born and now see that it 
is gaining some traction but I'm with the "Browser is the GUI" crowd and 
think you're painting yourself into a corner again. Even .NET sites have 
conceded that sending JSON back and forth from the server is the way to 
go and JavaScript is doing the GUI.

I'm not saying Java has a big part to play with the GUI (very little in 
fact) but the feature rich infrastructure tool-set it brings to the 
browser (even sand-boxed) is second to none.

I guess it's just that when Apple, Google, and Microsoft donned their 
brown shirts and started kicking in Java's windows I expected Larry to 
be a little more upset about it.

Cheers Richard Maher

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FireFox Bug 856969 -Too much recursion error with Java LiveConnect Applet Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-04-02 20:44 +0800
  Re: FireFox Bug 856969 -Too much recursion error with Java LiveConnect Applet Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-04-16 17:47 +0800
    Re: FireFox Bug 856969 -Too much recursion error with Java LiveConnect Applet Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2013-04-16 13:01 +0200
      Re: FireFox Bug 856969 -Too much recursion error with Java LiveConnect Applet Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-04-21 14:44 +0800
        Re: FireFox Bug 856969 -Too much recursion error with Java LiveConnect Applet "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 20:17 +1000
          Re: FireFox Bug 856969 -Too much recursion error with Java LiveConnect Applet Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2013-04-25 10:20 +0800
            Re: FireFox Bug 856969 -Too much recursion error with Java LiveConnect Applet "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 15:14 +1000

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