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Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases?

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On 07/08/2012 4:47 PM, Lew wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:26:41 AM UTC-7, David Lamb wrote:
>> Does anyone have data, or at least an informed opinion, on how often
>> genuine users of a proposed piece of software get consulted on
>> developing use cases (or some close equivalent)? I ask here because of
>> the recent UML discussion and because I've seen people, especially Lew,
>> mention use cases reasonably frequently.
>
> I mention use cases in a rather abstract sense, that is, to signify the underlying
> phenomenon of a collection of circumstances and needs. You seem to use the
> term in a more restricted sense of the documentation of such phenomena.

Not really, which is why I said "or close equivalent." I should probably 
have expanded a bit to say some reasonably precise description of user 
requirements in a reasonably user-comprehensible form.

>> anyone know which of us is closer to right? Is the answer different for
>> the Java and object-oriented-development community than it is for other
>> developers?
>
> Those questions require data.

I know, which is why in the opening paragraph I asked if anyone had data 
and, if not, falling back on informed opinons -- which you gave me later 
in your response. Thanks! and thanks to everyone else who is responding 
-- I'm waiting to see how the conversation plays out before saying much 
more than I have already (except I plan to clarify what I meant whenever 
it becomes apparent I left out important details).

In any case the data I was hoping for was on practices, not motivations 
-- my colleague's expression was to me a hyperbolic version of "they 
don't ask the actual users."

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Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-08-07 14:26 -0400
  Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-07 22:13 +0200
  Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 13:47 -0700
    Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-07 14:23 -0700
      Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 14:54 -0700
      Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-08-08 09:47 -0400
        Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-08 09:48 -0700
        Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 22:57 -0400
    Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-08-08 09:44 -0400
    Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 22:53 -0400
  Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2012-08-08 11:41 +0300
  Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 22:48 -0400
    Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-08-13 05:32 -0500
      Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-14 12:35 -0700
      Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-08-14 15:35 -0500
        Re: Who gets interviewed to produce use cases? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-15 09:32 -0700

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