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Re: Java Programming Best Practices

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On 07/22/2012 01:43 PM, Philip Brown wrote:
> On Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:07:17 PM UTC-7, Lew wrote:
>>> Philip Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Please don't spread hate propaganda.
>>
>>> When any site makes statements, in its top paragraph no less, such as
>>
>>> "XYZ is the #1 source of evil on the planet today." against a group of people collectively, that is pretty much the definition of hatred, prejudice, and bigotry.
>>
>> If "XYZ" is a racial, ethnic or gender distinction you're right. If "XYZ" is
>> someone or group of someones excoriated for their choices, not their inherent
>> being, you're wrong.
>>
>
> So you're saying it's wrong to be bigoted against people because of ethnicity or gender, but its perfectly fine for any other reason.

I did not say that.

You misquoted me.

I said nothing about whether it's right to be bigoted. Instead, thank you for 
disingenuously misstating my point, I said that it is not bigotry to castigate 
someone for their behavior.

You are engaging in begging the question and straw-man arguments.

And not talking about
> And words like " I would be interested in hearing your ideas about would could be done to help eliminate XYZ", and comparing that group of people, to a disease, is just fine.
> Interesting.
>
> Personally, my view is that if bigotry is wrong, then it's wrong for any and all reasons.
> (In the same way that if someone is for "free speech", they should support speech they dont agree with... if someone is against bigotry, they should be uniformly against it, even when directed against groups they dont personally like)

Fine, if we were discussing someone's bigotry, which we aren't.

We're discussing Roedy's political statements, which are not bigoted.

> Let's try this for size:
>
> "Hindus are a crazy messed up people. They're like a disease. Let's do everything we can to eliminate Hinduism from the planet."
>
> Whether or not you agree with the statement, do you think that is hate speech?
>
> If you do, you're a hypocrite, since you said it wasnt when directed against a DIFFERENT group of people. If you dont think so... you might want to get a second opinion from someone outside your normal circle of acquaintances.

I never said any such thing. You made that up out of whole cloth.

>
> PS:
>> You fail to distinguish hate speech, which targets people based on their
>> inherent characteristics, from criticism, which targets people based on their
>> actions.
>
>
> hate speech is hate speech, no matter whether it's directed at "inherent characteristics", or "I hate everyone whose first name starts with the letter Q"

You are like Humpty Dumpty in _Through the Looking Glass_: "When I use a word, 
it means exactly what I choose it to mean, no more, no less."

But your definitions happen to be wrong.

Hate speech is hate speech, as you so circularly claim, but speech excoriating 
someone's actions is not hate speech.

You don't get to just make up your own definitions.

> Legal != moral. Legally,I can go stand up in a public square and rant about how much I hate people who have names starting with Q. Clearly, that's hate speech, even though there is no legal recognition of it.

Wonderful _non sequitur_, absolutely impressive in its irrelevancy.

> But even from a legal standpoint, religion is a protected characteristic, so that site is clearly engaging in hate speech.

Huh? Religion?

And religion is a matter of choice, so one is perfectly free to speak against 
the practices of any relgion, including even atheism.

Otherwise statements like, "That church stole gazillions from gullible poor 
people" would be hate speech, which it isn't, or "That other church engages in 
hate speech" would be hate speech, which it isn't.

You continue to slander Roedy's site with no basis.

You need to stop using incorrect definitions, and you definitely need to stop 
derailing Java conversations with your trollery.

Please, I ask politely, go back on topic or shut the frak up.

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
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  Re: Java Programming Best Practices Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-21 10:53 -0400
    Re: Java Programming Best Practices Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-21 14:55 -0700
      Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-21 21:59 -0400
        Re: Java Programming Best Practices Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-07-22 16:11 -0700
          Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-22 20:01 -0400
          Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-22 19:49 -0400
    Re: Java Programming Best Practices Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-21 23:41 -0700
      Re: Java Programming Best Practices Philip Brown <phil@bolthole.com> - 2012-07-22 12:50 -0700
        Re: Java Programming Best Practices Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-22 13:07 -0700
          Re: Java Programming Best Practices Philip Brown <phil@bolthole.com> - 2012-07-22 13:43 -0700
            Re: Java Programming Best Practices Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-22 14:25 -0700
              Re: Java Programming Best Practices Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-23 00:43 +0200
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                Re: Java Programming Best Practices Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-07-22 21:11 -0400
                Re: Java Programming Best Practices Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-22 20:24 -0400
              Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-22 21:34 -0400
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