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Re: Java Programming Best Practices

From Lew <noone@lewscanon.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Java Programming Best Practices
Date 2012-07-22 13:07 -0700
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Philip Brown wrote:
> Lew wrote:
>> mindprod.com has the best overall advice about Java, minus a few glitches here
>> and there but always well meant.
>
> Please don't spread hate propaganda.

I said, "about Java", and I am not spreading hate propaganda here.

> When any site makes statements, in its top paragraph no less, such as
>
> "XYZ is the #1 source of evil on the planet today." against a group of people collectively, that is pretty much the definition of hatred, prejudice, and bigotry.

If "XYZ" is a racial, ethnic or gender distinction you're right. If "XYZ" is 
someone or group of someones excoriated for their choices, not their inherent 
being, you're wrong.

> Pretty ironic and hypocritical, given that I'm guessing they would claim they are "fighting hatred and intolerance".
>
>
> To the curious reader:
> If you cannot agree with the above statement as-is, and have to check specifically what the "XYZ" above is, to say "Well, if it's (this) group, its okay, but if it's (that) group, well, that's just bigoted"...
> that in itself would be hypocritical.

Bullcrap.

You fail to distinguish hate speech, which targets people based on their 
inherent characteristics, from criticism, which targets people based on their 
actions.

You don't get to simplistically sloganize morality and lock everyone else into 
your idiolectic definitions.

I stand by my claim that Roedy's site gives generally decent information about 
Java. Agree or disagree with his politics, but if you're going to accuse him 
of "hate propaganda", you'd better be ready to back that up with actual 
evidence, not vague handwaving and slander about political discourse with 
which you personally happen to disagree.

-- 
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
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  Re: Java Programming Best Practices Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-21 10:53 -0400
    Re: Java Programming Best Practices Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-21 14:55 -0700
      Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-21 21:59 -0400
        Re: Java Programming Best Practices Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-07-22 16:11 -0700
          Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-22 20:01 -0400
          Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-22 19:49 -0400
    Re: Java Programming Best Practices Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-21 23:41 -0700
      Re: Java Programming Best Practices Philip Brown <phil@bolthole.com> - 2012-07-22 12:50 -0700
        Re: Java Programming Best Practices Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-22 13:07 -0700
          Re: Java Programming Best Practices Philip Brown <phil@bolthole.com> - 2012-07-22 13:43 -0700
            Re: Java Programming Best Practices Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-22 14:25 -0700
              Re: Java Programming Best Practices Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-23 00:43 +0200
                Re: Java Programming Best Practices markspace <-@.> - 2012-07-22 17:18 -0700
                Re: Java Programming Best Practices Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-07-22 21:11 -0400
                Re: Java Programming Best Practices Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-22 20:24 -0400
              Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-22 21:34 -0400
  Re: Java Programming Best Practices Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-21 15:45 -0400

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