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Re: Java Programming Best Practices

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On Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:07:17 PM UTC-7, Lew wrote:
>> Philip Brown wrote:
> 
>> Please don't spread hate propaganda.
> 
>> When any site makes statements, in its top paragraph no less, such as
>
>> "XYZ is the #1 source of evil on the planet today." against a group of people collectively, that is pretty much the definition of hatred, prejudice, and bigotry.
> 
> If "XYZ" is a racial, ethnic or gender distinction you're right. If "XYZ" is 
> someone or group of someones excoriated for their choices, not their inherent 
> being, you're wrong.
> 

So you're saying it's wrong to be bigoted against people because of ethnicity or gender, but its perfectly fine for any other reason.
And words like " I would be interested in hearing your ideas about would could be done to help eliminate XYZ", and comparing that group of people, to a disease, is just fine.
Interesting.

Personally, my view is that if bigotry is wrong, then it's wrong for any and all reasons.
(In the same way that if someone is for "free speech", they should support speech they dont agree with... if someone is against bigotry, they should be uniformly against it, even when directed against groups they dont personally like)


Let's try this for size:

"Hindus are a crazy messed up people. They're like a disease. Let's do everything we can to eliminate Hinduism from the planet."

Whether or not you agree with the statement, do you think that is hate speech?

If you do, you're a hypocrite, since you said it wasnt when directed against a DIFFERENT group of people. If you dont think so... you might want to get a second opinion from someone outside your normal circle of acquaintances.

PS:
>You fail to distinguish hate speech, which targets people based on their 
> inherent characteristics, from criticism, which targets people based on their 
> actions. 


hate speech is hate speech, no matter whether it's directed at "inherent characteristics", or "I hate everyone whose first name starts with the letter Q"

Legal != moral. Legally,I can go stand up in a public square and rant about how much I hate people who have names starting with Q. Clearly, that's hate speech, even though there is no legal recognition of it.

But even from a legal standpoint, religion is a protected characteristic, so that site is clearly engaging in hate speech.

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    Re: Java Programming Best Practices Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-21 23:41 -0700
      Re: Java Programming Best Practices Philip Brown <phil@bolthole.com> - 2012-07-22 12:50 -0700
        Re: Java Programming Best Practices Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-22 13:07 -0700
          Re: Java Programming Best Practices Philip Brown <phil@bolthole.com> - 2012-07-22 13:43 -0700
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                Re: Java Programming Best Practices Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-07-22 21:11 -0400
                Re: Java Programming Best Practices Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-22 20:24 -0400
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