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Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA

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On 2/15/2012 10:57 AM, Lew wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:50:04 AM UTC-8, Richard Maher wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is anyone else gutted that the Chrome browser on Android will not support
>> JAVA, Flash or any other pluggin?
>>
>> I thought Google and Android were big on JAVA?
>
> Google is big on Java (but not "JAVA"), and Android code is often in Java (but
> not "JAVA"). That doesn't mean the browser should support applets.
>

and maybe it wouldn't really help matters much that Android uses a 
specialized VM (rather than a more typical JVM).

the language in use doesn't matter much for applets, if the underlying 
VM isn't using Java ByteCode. one would need a VM which also has support 
for both JBC and a class-loader, or alternatively such a VM would need 
to be available (on the system and is usable by the browser).


> And support for Flash is up to neither Google nor Java.
>

well, Google may be involved, but so is Adobe.

(checking, apparently, Flash is already available for Android).


a bigger problem though with Flash may be the reasonably low stats of 
typical Android devices (vs say, a desktop PC, or a laptop). it is 
possible that, even if Flash does work, it wouldn't necessarily be a 
pretty experience (poor performance, steep memory use, ...).


> Why in the world should anyone be "gutted" (whatever the heck that means) about
> this? Write to Adobe for your Flash concern and the browser maker (who isn't
> Google, BTW), with your complaint. Whining here won't help.
>

maybe he means the sensation of being physically disemboweled?... (or, 
conversely, the sensation of being kicked or kneed in the same general 
area, which is considerably less lethal, but also considerably 
unpleasant?...).


the Browser in question is Chrome, which I am pretty sure is a Google 
product (Wikipedia seems to agree here).

now, if it were Opera or Firefox or something, then it would make sense 
to contact them (as they are not Google).

however, even then, it would also be up to Adobe (and others, such as 
the device manufacturers, ...) as to whether or not they wanted to make 
it available (actually, given how it works, the mobile service carriers 
may also be involved, as apparently in Android land it is the 
vendor+carrier which has most of the say regarding what system-level 
software is available).


ultimately, it may be moot if the devices are technically underpowered 
for this (Flash doesn't perform well on an ASUS EEE either, which has 
much higher stats than most Android devices).

what makes Android smooth and responsive is not really about having high 
stats, but rather about making the system fairly minimalist and 
streamlined. the downside though is that technologies tuned for more 
powerful systems, are not likely to work very well.

the issue is not that typical Flash applications are particularly 
high-end or advanced, but rather that many Flash apps aren't really 
written for efficiency.


conversely: doing impressive-looking things on a PC (delivering a 
compelling user experience, especially for real-time interactive 
software like 3D games or similar) does require some amount of concern 
for things like optimization and similar (and it would be very difficult 
to deliver a similar level of quality-of-experience on something like a 
mobile device).

but, how much is concern is relevant and where itself may depend highly 
on the particular application and use-case (like, how and where to 
invest optimizations, and which sorts of properties to optimize for, ...).


> Do try to complain to the right people. Google and Oracle won't be the right
> people.
>
> Neither are we.
>

probably true enough...

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Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 20:50 +0800
  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:57 -0800
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 17:13 -0700
  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 19:21 -0500
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 18:37 -0700
  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2012-02-16 13:21 +1100
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 21:23 -0500
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2012-02-17 21:52 +1100
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 10:22 -0800
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-17 21:49 -0500
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2012-02-17 18:53 +0000
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-17 15:38 -0500
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-17 21:36 -0500
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-02-17 21:53 +0100

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