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Re: the Olson Timezone Database

Date	2012-02-16 00:01 +0000
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On 15/02/2012 05:05, Roedy Green wrote:
>   However, the entire computing community has a problem.

I think this particular hiccough was taken care of last year. The entire 
computing community doesn't actually have a problem (of any significance).

There is a general problem of overuse of litigation by greedy people (or 
by the organisations they control) but that is not going to go away in 
our lifetimes.

Olsen had a problem, but he has dealt with it. His reputation and legacy 
appear to be secure. So far as I know he is not in need of any help from 
the general public.

> Unless these
> bastards are sued out of existence, the entire existing Olson database
> is in legal limbo.

That doesn't appear to be necessary. Just because an allegation has been 
made does not immediately place the subject of the allegation in any 
kind of legal limbo in the sense I understand that term.

> It might require rebuilding it from original
> sources in a clean room. But of course it might not exactly match the
> existing data. This is a nightmare.

Not after a moment of calm reflection surely?

> The only proper solution sending
> them packing.  I suppose Oracle could settle, but that would really
> gall me.  Astrolabe could then SELL this database over and over to
> everyone who needs timezone data. It would be outrageous that they
> would profit from such a deliberately malicious act. They can bully an
> individual like Olson, but surely not Oracle, IBM, ...

None of that seems necessary at the moment.

 > I want them punished.

If they have provably and unlawfully harmed you, that would be a matter 
for your local law courts and international extradition treaties. IANAL 
but I suggest you put aside this thought. Not every wrong can be 
righted. Perfect justice is an unattainable ideal.

Meanwhile, Java programs can still be written and will know the time.

-- 
RGB

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the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 18:28 -0800
  Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-14 23:01 -0500
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 20:41 -0800
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-15 07:53 -0500
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-15 08:45 -0500
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2012-02-15 17:31 +0000
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2012-02-15 17:35 +0000
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-15 13:48 -0500
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 14:19 -0500
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 13:46 -0500
              Re: the Olson Timezone Database Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 14:03 -0500
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 20:20 -0500
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-02-14 21:05 -0800
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.invalid> - 2012-02-16 00:01 +0000
  Re: the Olson Timezone Database markspace <-@.> - 2012-02-15 08:45 -0800
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 20:23 -0500
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-15 21:44 -0500
  Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:51 -0800
    Re: the Olson Timezone Database Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2012-02-16 18:27 +1100
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-16 11:24 -0800
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-02-16 16:16 -0500
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-16 13:31 -0800
          Re: the Olson Timezone Database Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-16 20:31 -0500
            Re: the Olson Timezone Database Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-16 20:18 -0800
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      Re: the Olson Timezone Database Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 18:24 -0500
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    Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-02-23 00:31 -0800
      Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2012-02-23 21:27 +0000
        Re: the Olson Timezone Database - it's back! Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-02-23 14:06 -0800

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