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Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA

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On 2012-02-17 13:23:25 +1100, Arne Vajhøj said:

> On 2/15/2012 9:21 PM, Rajiv Gupta wrote:
>> On 2012-02-15 23:50:04 +1100, Richard Maher said:
>>> Is anyone else gutted that the Chrome browser on Android will not
>>> support JAVA, Flash or any other pluggin?
>>> 
>>> I thought Google and Android were big on JAVA?
>> 
>> Android uses the Dalvik VM, ostensibly to take advantage of the CPU
>> architectures of the devices commonly used in mobile devices. For Google
>> it also provides a convient firewall to keep out unwanted code from
>> their eco system.
> 
> Given that they provide free tools to generate code for Dalvik, then
> they do not really keep anyone out.

It is still a barrier.

> 
>> Flash is no longer necessary since HTML5.
> 
> If you can live with 30% of web users not seeing your stuff.

The situation is rapidly changing. Adobe have acknowledged it 
themselves as they have stopped developing Flash for mobile devices.

> 
>> The same goes for Java Applets. It has been a long time since applets
>> have been useful. I recommend that people disable Java in their
>> browsers. It is just a security risk and a way to waste memory.
> 
> ????
> 
> On a page that does not use applets, then Java will not be running and
> therefor not e using memory.

> 
> On a page that does use applets, then Java will consume memory but also
> be needed.
> 
> So I do not understand that advice.

Are you retarded or just a pedant?   By disabling Java in the browser, 
you will prevent the browser from running applets.

> 
>> HTML
>> canvas and websockets and JS can do anything that you could do in Java
>> in a browser.
> 
> For web then Java applets is still more widely supported than HTML5.

For any new developments you would be an imbecile to choose deploying 
an applet.  The browser that has the most rapidly increasing market 
share (Chrome) does not even bother to support it.


> 
>> As for Android. It is in my opinion a fiendishly clever honeypot aiding
>> Google in collecting the identities of as many people in the world as
>> they can.
> 
> That problem is solvable:
>    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat
> 
> Arne

Google's main business is to collect information about people in order 
to profit from it by advertising or selling the information in some 
form.  This is not a paranoid delusional statement.    In some 
jurisdictions their activities border on criminal. For example, forging 
emails from registered users which state that user "XXX" has invited 
you to join Google+.   In fact an official complaint has been made to a 
member of parlaiment in my jurisdiction asking for the federal police 
to investigate these mass forging of emails because forging of emails 
is an offence.

Android phones (unless rooted or registered with Google) continually 
display a full screen dialog which nags the user to create an account. 
This page interferes with the operation of the phone since it will 
appear at any time. If the hapless user eventually succumbs and creates 
an account Google will upload the user's contacts database to their 
system.  You would be naive if you believed Google would not be 
building a graph from those contacts.

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Chrome for Android does not support JAVA "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 20:50 +0800
  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:57 -0800
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 17:13 -0700
  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-15 19:21 -0500
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-02-15 18:37 -0700
  Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2012-02-16 13:21 +1100
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-16 21:23 -0500
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Rajiv Gupta <rajiv@invalid.com> - 2012-02-17 21:52 +1100
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 10:22 -0800
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-17 21:49 -0500
    Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2012-02-17 18:53 +0000
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-17 15:38 -0500
        Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-02-17 21:36 -0500
      Re: Chrome for Android does not support JAVA Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-02-17 21:53 +0100

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