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Re: eclipse shortcuts again (was Re: generics puzzle)

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In article <687364c8-7a95-4a8a-b459-38fed6780b8a@j20g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Four of Seventeen  <fseventeen@gmail.com> wrote:

(Are you related to that Eight of Seventeen fellow?  Huh.)

> On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, blm...@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > In article <9gn5bfFmo...@mid.individual.net>,
> >
> > blm...@myrealbox.com  <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <alpine.DEB.2.00.1110222039350.4...@urchin.earth.li>,
> > > Tom Anderson  <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 22 Oct 2011, blm...@myrealbox.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article <9gdsa6Fpo...@mid.individual.net>,
> > > > > Robert Klemme  <shortcut...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On 10/21/2011 06:27 PM, blm...@myrealbox.com wrote:

[ snip ]

> > > > From this, i can see that, on the Mac, command-F8 selects the next
> > > > perspective, and shift-command-F8 the previous one.
> >
> > > Yes, this is the one (s/command/control/ for Linux) I remembered ....  
> > > Huh.  I just tried it again, and it worked.  What I'm vaguely
> > > remembering is that it sometimes it did and sometimes it didn't,
> > > and I couldn't figure out why, and gave up.  Huh.
> >
> > Curiouser and curiouser ....
> >
> > Apparently indeed sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
> > On a quick test -- invoke "synchronize with repository" from the
> > context menu, let it switch to the CVS perspective, then switch
> > back to the Java perspective -- control-F8 works as desired.
> > However, recently I switched to the CVS perspective, did some
> > things (reviewed changes and committed them), and tried to switch
> > back to the Java perspective, and ....  Nothing.  control-F8 did
> > nothing, and neither did control-F7.  I did discover that there's
> > a Navigate submenu under Window that offers a "next perspective"
> > option, and *that* works, and it can be done from the keyboard,
> > which is good to know.
> >
> > But "sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't" is a bit --
> > puzzling?  bothersome?
> 
> Now you know how the rest of us feel when we try to use vi or emacs
> and things behave ... strangely, and change in unpredictable-to-us
> ways, like, say, "enter" in emacs sometimes inserting a newline into
> the displayed text but sometimes acting more like clicking a link in a
> web browser. :)

People are sometimes perplexed by the behavior of tools they don't
understand very well.  Was that your point?  It doesn't seem very
newsworthy.

However, it seems to me that someone who understands the tool well
should be able to explain the behavior that the novice-to-intermediate
user finds perplexing.  I'm fairly sure an emacs expert could explain 
the behavior you describe.  Perhaps at some point an Eclipse expert
will be along to explain the behavior I describe.

> I'm not sure if this results from "trying to do everything with the
> keyboard, instead of using the keyboard for keyboardy things like
> entering text and the mouse for mousy things like long-range
> navigation and issuing commands" or from "trying to cram every kind of
> application feature from every kind of application into one text
> editor input pane" or both, though. :)

Because of course what you describe can't possibly be attributed to
PEBKAC, right?

-- 
B. L. Massingill
ObDisclaimer:  I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.

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generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-17 10:41 +0000
  Re: generics puzzle Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2011-10-17 13:14 +0100
    Re: generics puzzle Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-17 15:14 +0100
    Re: generics puzzle markspace <-@.> - 2011-10-17 07:33 -0700
      Re: generics puzzle Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2011-10-17 16:26 +0100
        Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-18 14:48 +0000
      Re: generics puzzle Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-10-17 15:36 +0000
    Re: generics puzzle Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-10-17 08:58 -0700
      Re: generics puzzle Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2011-10-18 10:45 +0100
        Re: generics puzzle Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-10-18 09:42 -0700
          Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 13:25 +0000
            Re: generics puzzle Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-10-19 10:04 -0700
              Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-20 14:14 +0000
                Re: generics puzzle Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2011-10-20 11:11 -0700
  Re: generics puzzle Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-17 09:12 -0700
    Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-18 14:49 +0000
      Re: generics puzzle Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-18 18:27 +0200
        Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-18 17:45 +0000
          Re: generics puzzle Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-18 22:15 +0200
          Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-18 18:59 -0700
            Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 13:28 +0000
              Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-20 17:21 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-21 16:27 +0000
                Re: generics puzzle Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-21 20:34 +0200
                Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-22 18:50 +0000
                Re: generics puzzle Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-22 21:02 +0100
                Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 07:04 +0000
                Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 23:25 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-26 21:56 +0100
                Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-27 08:59 +0000
                eclipse shortcuts again (was Re: generics puzzle) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-29 17:05 +0000
                Re: eclipse shortcuts again (was Re: generics puzzle) Four of Seventeen <fseventeen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-29 19:49 -0700
                Re: eclipse shortcuts again (was Re: generics puzzle) blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-31 11:17 +0000
                Re: eclipse shortcuts again (was Re: generics puzzle) Four of Seventeen <fseventeen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-31 05:39 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-23 01:30 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-10-23 08:56 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-24 02:46 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 07:05 +0000
                Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 23:29 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-31 11:14 +0000
                Re: generics puzzle Four of Seventeen <fseventeen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-31 05:34 -0700
          Re: generics puzzle markspace <-@.> - 2011-10-18 21:21 -0700
            Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 13:29 +0000
              Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-20 17:22 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-21 16:28 +0000
              Re: generics puzzle Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-10-21 06:22 -0300
                Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-21 16:29 +0000
                Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-23 01:20 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-10-23 09:51 +0000
                Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-23 03:28 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-23 15:59 +0100
                Re: generics puzzle Eight of Seventeen <eights17@gmail.com> - 2011-10-24 02:46 -0700
                Re: generics puzzle Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-23 15:55 +0100
            Re: generics puzzle Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-10-20 21:00 +0100
          Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 13:26 +0000
          Re: generics puzzle Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-10-21 05:57 -0300
            Re: generics puzzle blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-10-21 16:28 +0000

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