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Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes

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On 08/20/2011 01:45 PM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
> Robert Klemme<shortcutter@googlemail.com>  wrote:
>> On 08/20/2011 01:11 AM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
>>> Of course I don't know the wider context, but to me it seemed as if
>>> a power-of-2 sized array would be such a natural choice, that you'd
>> That never occurred to me.  Limiting to powers of 2 does have some
>> advantages in some situation but it's certainly nothing I would consider
>> "natural" generally.
>
> Not generally, but in a context, where you've got an integer uniformly
> cycling through a power-of-2 sized range, and quickly(develop-time-wise)
> need a uniform cycle on a smaller range.

???  If the power of two is given then of course limiting sizes to power 
of two is "natural" - whatever that means in case of a tautology.

>>> May I ask, what other entity imposes the array length on you, and why
>>> choosing the next larger power of 2 will not do?
>> The value is user configurable and limiting to powers of 2 as valid
>> values would reduce the range of possible values unnecessarily
>> especially since the value is resource intensive - so the difference
>> between 6 and 8 could be significant.
>
> Since I can't believe the array's length itself is at stake here, I guess
> it's the objects that get stored in it, and only freed when overwritten.

Roughly.  Items are not overwritten, dunno where you got that from. 
Andreas, you are on the Holzweg. :-)

> If that's the case, I'd do this:
>    M being the configured value for the "size"
>    N being the smallest power-of-2 that is>= M
>
> create the array with a size of N, and before each write for a new object
> into position n, you write a null at position (n - M)&  (N-1).
> (modulo eventual off-by-one-errors)

Number M is given, it's the number of items to pick (in a thread safe 
manner also but that is irrelevant for the math).  If M is not a power 
of two then N > M and N mod M != 0 and no matter how you store your M 
items in an array of length N, iterating through the complete array of N 
elements will never produce uniform distribution of picks per item.  If 
you only use first M slots of the array and iterating them you simply 
waste N - M slots of the array and the power of two magic is completely 
worthless.

> But at this point it is possible that your compareAndSet approach
> is actually clearer/easier to understand :-)

Certainly.

Cheers

	robert

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  Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-08-16 20:38 -0400
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            Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-08-17 06:31 -0300
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                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-08-20 16:15 +0000
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                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-08-18 18:30 -0300
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