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Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes

Date	2011-08-18 10:47 +0100
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Subject	Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes
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On 18/08/2011 10:29, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> On 11-08-17 11:17 AM, Lew wrote:
>> Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
>>> Arved Sandstrom<asandstr...@eastlink.ca>  wrote:
>>>> Lew wrote:
>>>>> JLS 10: [...]
>>>>> IOW, you never index arrays with a byte, char or short. [...]
>>>> I'm feeling slow this morning: how do we get problems with byte->int,
>>>> short->int, or char->int again?
>>
>> One gets problems with byte->int and short->int with array indexes the way one gets into trouble with those widening conversions generally.  The usual suspect is the lack of unsigned versions, so widening a (byte)0xA0, for example, would result in a negative index.
>>
>> One gets into trouble generally in programming when one thinks one thing is going on ("index takes a byte") whilst ignoring what's really going on (there's a widening conversion involved).  You might get away with it most of the time, but occasionally such things trip you up.
>>
>> Why think about it imprecisely?  Tell us the advantage of that, please.
>>
>>> array-indexing takes integers.  That you can also throw byte/short/char
>>> values at them without cast doesn't mean that arrays "take" those, but
>>> only that such values get automatically converted to int before being
>>> taken by the array for indexing.
>>>
>>> An example for something really "taking" byte-values:
>>>    foo(byte b) { ... }
>>
> I'll try my answer again, it seems not to have hit the airwaves.
>
> I don't see my imprecision: the JLS very clearly says that integral
> widening primitive conversions result in *no* loss of information; this
> is just common sense when you consider what's going on with char->int,
> byte-int and short->int.
>
> I reiterate: the _JLS_ says that there is *no* loss of information. I
> don't see why you believe the JLS is wrong. Exactly how are you getting
> into trouble with integral widening primitive conversions?
>
> Furthermore, your assertion about indexing into an array with (byte)0x0A
> (or any other legal byte value for that matter) is just plain incorrect,
> and can be disproved in a minute or two. Indexing into any array with
> (byte)0x0A returns the 11th element of a (sufficiently large) array.

I think you misread Lew, he said (byte)0xA0 (not your 0x0A) doesn't get 
you the 161st element of a (sufficiently large) array.

-- 
RGB

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  Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-08-16 09:30 -0700
  Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-08-16 21:37 +0100
  Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-08-16 14:54 -0700
    Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-08-16 20:47 -0400
  Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-08-16 20:38 -0400
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          Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-08-16 20:45 -0700
            Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-08-17 06:31 -0300
              Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-08-17 13:28 +0000
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-08-17 07:17 -0700
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-08-17 19:02 +0200
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                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-08-17 23:48 +0000
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                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-08-17 18:07 -0700
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes markspace <-@.> - 2011-08-18 08:22 -0700
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-08-18 18:37 +0000
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes markspace <-@.> - 2011-08-18 11:50 -0700
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-08-18 20:49 +0000
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes markspace <-@.> - 2011-08-18 14:48 -0700
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                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-08-20 15:23 +0200
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-08-20 16:15 +0000
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-08-17 21:34 -0400
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-08-18 07:58 +0200
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-08-18 06:29 -0300
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> - 2011-08-18 10:47 +0100
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-08-18 11:35 -0700
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-08-18 18:30 -0300
                Re: Using Enumerated Types as Array Indexes Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-08-19 14:57 +0200
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