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On 02/02/2013 01:21 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 2/1/2013 8:54 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> On 02/01/2013 09:08 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 1/31/2013 7:54 PM, Peter Duniho wrote:
>> [ SNIP ]
>>>>
>>>> They just don't seem to have yet. And IMHO this is one reason why at
>>>> least
>>>> some people eschew using Java for desktop apps. It's certainly a
>>>> significant factor in why I stopped bothering and went back to using
>>>> .NET
>>>> for my day-to-day ad hoc projects.
>>>>
>>>> I can't prove that I'm typical. But it's likely I'm not entirely unique
>>>> either. :)
>>>
>>> I am sure there are other that do not like the Java GUI builders.
>>>
>>> But I am convinced that the main reason for the low usage
>>> of Java for desktop apps is the look and feel not being
>>> sufficient native.
>>
>> I think you're right about that latter. Desktop apps that I've written
>> for various platforms in the past few years, professionally that is,
>> have not been Java because they look like Java, not native. And I'll use
>> Mono before I use Java, on other OS's.
>>
>> The pain of using Swing is there, it helps convince me not to use Java
>> for desktop apps, but L&F is a bigger factor, sure.
>>
>> So for me the current painpoint with Java and GUIs is JSF, because I do
>> that quite a lot. Like I said, I finally bit the bullet and automated
>> the process for myself, so I can easily generated matching XHTML
>> Facelets pages and managed beans, for example.
>
> But is it really a GUI builder or a wizard you want?
>
> GUI builder = tool you use initially and for maintenance of the GUI
>
> wizard = tool that generates a lot of boilerplate stuff that is then
> refined and maintained by hand
>
> Arne
>
>
Much closer to a wizard then to a builder. That's why using a simple 
Scala DSL for JSF works for me, it's not so much that I want to do 
layout that I want to avoid boilerplate. I generate coarse layout with 
divs and panelGrids and panelGroups and dataTables; I do the fine layout 
with CSS anyhow at a later stage.

AHS

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Editable issues K <kalezwe@gmail.com> - 2013-01-28 21:19 -0800
  Re: Editable issues Mikhail Vladimirov <vladimirow@mail.ru> - 2013-01-28 22:21 -0800
    Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-28 23:17 -0800
      Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-29 06:27 -0400
        Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-29 22:02 -0500
          Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-30 07:38 -0400
            Re: Editable issues Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 08:32 -0800
              Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-30 19:34 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-30 20:04 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-31 06:21 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-31 11:10 -0500
              Re: Editable issues Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-31 04:15 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-31 07:26 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-31 11:04 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-31 16:54 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-02-01 04:59 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-01 20:08 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-02-01 21:54 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-02 12:21 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-02-02 15:37 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-02-01 18:12 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-02-01 20:33 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-02-01 23:39 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-02 12:16 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-02-02 09:59 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-02 21:05 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-02-04 14:18 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-04 18:23 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-02-04 14:11 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-04 18:17 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-02-01 05:05 -0800
            Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-30 20:03 -0500
  Re: Editable issues Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-29 02:38 -0800

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