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Re: Editable issues

From	Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: Editable issues
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Date	2013-01-30 07:38 -0400

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On 01/29/2013 11:02 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 1/29/2013 5:27 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>> Main problem here is that in 2013 we still have people hand-cranking
>> Swing code. It's ugly, tedious, unedifying, error-prone code. It's worse
>> than JSF boilerplate and that's saying quite a lot.
>>
>> .NET tooling has Java beat in this regard.
>
> I strongly suspect that it is not:
>
> lack of GUI builder tools => desire to hand write Swing code
>
> but instead:
>
> desire to hand write Swing code => lack of GUI builder tools
>
> Arne
>
If I parse your English correctly, Arne, you're suggesting that folks 
*prefer* to code Swing directly rather than make use of GUI builder 
interfaces?

Man, I'm not sure I buy that. I've suffered through writing Swing code 
from scratch a few times, I don't see how it's any more useful to do 
that than hand-coding JSF Facelets .xhtml and backing bean boilerplate. 
Which is to say, not useful at all. You gain nothing over using GUI 
builder tools, and you lose time better spent on real logic.

AHS

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Editable issues K <kalezwe@gmail.com> - 2013-01-28 21:19 -0800
  Re: Editable issues Mikhail Vladimirov <vladimirow@mail.ru> - 2013-01-28 22:21 -0800
    Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-28 23:17 -0800
      Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-29 06:27 -0400
        Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-29 22:02 -0500
          Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-30 07:38 -0400
            Re: Editable issues Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 08:32 -0800
              Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-30 19:34 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-30 20:04 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-01-31 06:21 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-31 11:10 -0500
              Re: Editable issues Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-31 04:15 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-31 07:26 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-31 11:04 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-01-31 16:54 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-02-01 04:59 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-01 20:08 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-02-01 21:54 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-02 12:21 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-02-02 15:37 -0400
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-02-01 18:12 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-02-01 20:33 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-02-01 23:39 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-02 12:16 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2013-02-02 09:59 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-02 21:05 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-02-04 14:18 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-04 18:23 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-02-04 14:11 -0800
                Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-02-04 18:17 -0500
                Re: Editable issues Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-02-01 05:05 -0800
            Re: Editable issues Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-01-30 20:03 -0500
  Re: Editable issues Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-01-29 02:38 -0800

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