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Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build?

Date	2012-04-14 17:29 -0400
From	Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build?
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On 4/14/2012 4:37 PM, Lew wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> Lew wrote:
>>> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> Are you claiming that it is poor software architecture/development
>>>> to write code that does not have a single flaw at time of being written
>>>> but 5 or 10 years later give warnings or errors with a new Java
>>>> version?
>>>
>>> I don't know if he is, but I am.
>>
>> I think you should read it once more.
>>
>> I don't think you really consider programmers not able to predict the
>> future to be poor programmers.
>>
>>> The point was made upthread that when you introduce a new Java version, you must regression-test it like any other system component. If that regression introduces new warnings or errors, and you leave them alone, that's poor development. Period.
>>
>> Nobody is denying that.
>>
>> We are discussing whether the code comes with technical debt or not.
>
> It does, once the compiler has been changed and the concomitant warnings ignored.
>
> The question isn't whether it was technical debt in 1993 but whether it's technical debt today. Your argument only presents a case that it wasn't technical debt in 1993.

Actually not.

You wrote:

#It *could* be, but then Java 5 has been out for seven and a half years
#now. That's a very long type to carry that technical debt.

So you claimed that it has been a technical debt since 2004.

I gave references (Wikipedia and Fowler) that technical debt is code
that was bad when written.

Either you use a non standard meaning of technical debt
or you want the original developers to have been able to
foresee the future.

The original poster has not expressed that he want not to
fix the warnings nor have anyone adviced him to do so.

Nobody is arguing that it would become technical debt if
it ended up so. But it seems not particular relevant
for whether the code has had a technical debt since 2004.

And given that Java 1.0 was released for GA in January 1996,
then I also fail to see any relevance of 1993.

>> It does not.
>>
>> Unless one require developers to be able to predict the future.
>>
>> Which I do not.
>
> At no point do I require anyone to predict the future, only observe the present. You're the one attempting to reframe the discussion to one of prognostication. It is not a valid restatement of the issue to do so.
>
> At the point when the OP's project converted to Java 5 or later, and ignored the generics warnings, those warnings became technical debt. No crystal ball needed; this is historic.

There are two big problems with that argument.

1) The OP never stated anything about ignoring messages. That
    is something you just have made up.

2) Your reply was to Daniel Pitt stating that the code could have been
    written for Java 1.4.

Arne

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How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? zyng <xsli2@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-04 06:29 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-04 10:54 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-04-04 13:05 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-04 18:24 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-04-04 19:15 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-04-04 19:39 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-04-05 09:46 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-05 11:42 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-05 19:46 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-04-05 19:35 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-12 20:27 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-04-12 19:29 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-13 21:07 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-14 12:53 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-14 16:16 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-04-14 13:37 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-14 17:29 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-04-15 01:25 -0500
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-15 10:30 -0300
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-04-15 11:16 -0500
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-05 20:48 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-04-15 19:54 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-05 20:47 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-07 09:31 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-04-15 19:58 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-05 20:50 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-05-07 09:33 -0700
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-04-05 22:41 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-06 19:53 -0300
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-04-06 21:35 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-12 20:33 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-13 21:16 -0300
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-13 21:03 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-04-13 22:51 -0300
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-05-05 20:51 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-12 20:29 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-04-12 21:28 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-04-13 21:04 -0400
Re: How to turn off those warning messages during ant build? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-04-05 14:04 -0700

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