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| Date | 2011-11-03 21:45 -0400 |
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? |
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| Message-ID | <4eb343b9$0$282$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> (permalink) |
| Organization | SunSITE.dk - Supporting Open source |
On 11/2/2011 11:53 PM, BGB wrote: > On 11/2/2011 3:35 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> On 11/2/2011 6:26 PM, markspace wrote: >>> On 11/2/2011 3:01 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>>> Java ME has imploded in the cellphone market in recent years. >>> >>> You mean Java ME has been deprecated by developers? Not sure, just >>> asking. >> >> The capabilities of modern smartphones and the possibilities of >> Java ME does not really match. >> >> Developer interest for Java ME is pretty low today. > > granted, Java ME (AKA: JME or J2ME) can be taken as a sort of "baseline > Java subset", since it represents roughly the core feature-set of the > language (absent GUI or the mountain of "other stuff" found in Java SE), > nevermind if Java ME proper is not in-itself sufficient to do a whole > lot useful with it. It is Java 1.3.1 which is bloody old. >> Only smartphone provider still supporting Java ME is RIM (BB). > > what about Java ME for non-standard JVM's on the PC?... I don't think there has ever been much of a market there. >>>> And Java SE is not there. >>>> >>>> The only thing out there is Android. >>> >>> While I was ranting about compatibility earlier, I should have added >>> that I think the best thing for Google and Android to do is to trade >>> some cash and code for rights, and make Android the new Java ME, and >>> bury Java ME in the darkest hole available. If we could at least reduce >>> the available standards, I think we'd all actually have something more. >> >> Yes! >> >> Java ME SCDC (Super Connected Device Configuration)!! >> > > yes, except there would be a few possible edge-cases between this and > Java SE. > > it would seem a little silly to have both the Android GUI and AWT/Swing > on all targets. I would personally rather have Android gain a more > "sane" GUI (such as Swing), than be faced with their GUI funkiness > elsewhere. I doubt that Swing would work well on Android phones. Maybe JavaFX. But anyway - it is way to late - the Android is here to stay. >>>> You could say that is not bad, but Java certainly has >>>> its challenges in the cellphone market. >>> >>> >>> Don't know about this. Java seems to be doing well under Android. I >>> think its major challenge is that Apple insists on running their own >>> proprietary stuff. >> >> Neither iOS nor WP supports Java. Only Android. >> > > yeah. > > Android is C, C++, and Java. > iOS is mostly C, C++, and Objective-C. > Windows Phone is mostly C, C++, and C#. > > there seems maybe there is a pattern... Not really. Apps for Android is Java (with the possibility of using C/C++ for certain things) Apps for Android is Objective-C Apps for WP is C# or VB.NET C/C++ is practically not used for apps - C/C++ is obviously used a lot for OS, VM's etc.. Arne
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Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-10-28 15:16 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-11-02 07:05 -0300
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 22:46 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-01 22:18 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-01 22:35 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Cindy <c.thurston@frell.okb.uwa.edu> - 2011-11-02 03:17 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 07:58 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:06 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-03 00:01 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 20:48 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 20:52 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 07:21 -0700
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Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-03 00:10 -0700
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Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 15:01 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:18 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:20 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 22:30 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 21:30 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 21:40 -0400
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Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 10:22 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:02 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 20:10 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 20:45 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 09:56 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:01 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-02 15:26 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:35 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 20:53 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 21:45 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-11-04 05:50 -0300
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-04 10:39 -0700
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-04 17:38 -0400
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-11-04 18:47 -0300
Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 10:11 -0700
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Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 23:42 -0700
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