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Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils?

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On 11/3/2011 5:52 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 11/3/2011 3:01 AM, BGB wrote:
>> On 11/2/2011 3:06 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 11/2/2011 10:58 AM, BGB wrote:
>>>> Mono also can't run C++/CLI code last I checked, which sort of screws
>>>> over my personal motivation to use it.
>>>
>>> It should be able to run pure code. Obviously not mixed code.
>>
>> yes, but banning mixed code sort of breaks C++/CLI's ability to...
>> actually work...
>>
>> even if one compiles the code itself as pure CIL, then Mono rejects it
>> due to things like "can't load MSVCR80.DLL" or similar.
>
> With:
>
> /clr:pure
>
> it should not.
>
> Are you sure that it does not work?
>

I tested it.
the issue is, as soon as one uses and C or C++ runtime stuff, or calls 
into C land, well, Mono is no longer happy.

I found out it didn't work, originally, because I was trying to do it, 
and Mono wouldn't make it work.


>> however, about the only real reason I would have to use it would be
>> because "C++/CLI is nifty, since I can straddle the border between C#
>> and plain C and C++ code".
>
> C++ mixed mode is in many ways a technological wonder.
>
> Fantastic tool for getting managed and native code to
> work together.
>
> But also very platform and compiler specific.
>
> So I don't think it would have made sense for Java to try
> something similar.
>

it is not that bad or complicated really.
my VM also does something similar.

however, my VM is also late bound, so the interface would not "pollute" 
the bytecode in the same way as in an early-bound VM (such as the JVM).

a minor issue though is that it requires running a tool (for the target 
system) to process headers and similar and emit metadata (so that the 
HLL/VM knows what to glue against...). there are also some special 
annotations and other things.

or such...

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Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-01 22:18 -0400
  Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-01 22:35 -0700
    Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Cindy <c.thurston@frell.okb.uwa.edu> - 2011-11-02 03:17 -0400
      Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 07:58 -0700
        Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:06 -0400
          Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-03 00:01 -0700
            Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 20:48 -0400
            Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 20:52 -0400
              Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 07:21 -0700
                Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-09 20:30 -0500
                Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 22:48 -0700
      Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? coder <j-code@speak.invalid> - 2011-11-02 17:36 -0400
        Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-02 17:13 -0700
        Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Cindy <c.thurston@frell.okb.uwa.edu> - 2011-11-03 00:49 -0400
          Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-03 00:10 -0700
            Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Cindy <c.thurston@frell.okb.uwa.edu> - 2011-11-03 04:41 -0400
              Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-03 05:36 -0700
        Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? thoolen <tholen01@gmail.com> - 2011-11-02 23:13 -0700
    Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-02 08:28 -0700
      Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 10:04 -0700
        Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? markspace <-@.> - 2011-11-02 10:19 -0700
          Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 14:32 -0700
            Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-11-02 17:20 -0700
              Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 21:34 -0700
                Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 20:57 -0400
                Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 09:25 -0700
                Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-09 20:25 -0500
                Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-09 23:05 -0700
    Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 17:26 -0400
      Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 15:01 -0700
        Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:18 -0400
          Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-02 18:20 -0400
          Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-11-02 22:30 -0700
            Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 21:30 -0400
            Re: back to .Net? lesser of two evils? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-11-03 21:40 -0400

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