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Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network)

Date 2011-10-31 08:46 +0100
From David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
Newsgroups comp.arch.fpga, comp.lang.forth, comp.arch.embedded, comp.dsp
Subject Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network)
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On 31/10/2011 07:24, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>
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> Al Clark wrote:
>
>
>> If Congress actually wanted to do something useful, they would make
>> the expiration date for most patents about 5 years and speed up the
>> actual review process. Twenty years is almost forever in technology.
>
> I agree. The reform isn't really changing anything.
> They could make a patent support fee significant sum of money; say,
> $100k per year. That would invalidate many worseless patents; leaving
> only the important and actually working ones. Set a requirement that the
> original inventor could waive the fee if he makes profit from his patent
> within 3 years, either by making product or by licensing; otherwise the
> patent goes into public domain.
>
> VLV

Alternatively, the fee could gradually increase with time.  The first 
year would be a relatively cheap $10,000 - enough to avoid most time 
wasters, but cheap enough that a small company with a good idea can 
afford it.  Jump to $100,000 for the next year, and increase 
geometrically each year after that.  Patents that really are worthwhile, 
and generate substantial licensing fees, would be kept for longer.  Most 
would be kept long enough to give the inventor a head-start over the 
competition, then released to the public domain.

It may make sense for the increase factor to depend on the field - it 
should be high (such as 2) for patents in fast-moving fields such as 
electronics, but lower (maybe 1.25) in slower fields such as medicine.

Of course, for many actively used patents, this system exists already - 
it's just that the steadily increasing fees are paid to lawyers and 
other legal fees, rather than to patent offices.

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Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-24 12:59 -0700
  Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Mark Wills <forthfreak@forthfiles.net> - 2011-10-24 13:40 -0700
    Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Paul Gotch <paulg@at-cantab-dot.net> - 2011-10-24 23:20 +0100
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) fatalist <simfidude@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 06:38 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) ashtonrsmiller <rmiller@storm.ca> - 2011-10-25 07:47 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 08:25 -0700
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-10-25 20:21 -0400
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-10-26 07:54 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Paul Gotch <paulg@at-cantab-dot.net> - 2011-10-26 13:02 +0100
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) fatalist <simfidude@gmail.com> - 2011-10-26 05:36 -0700
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Paul Gotch <paulg@at-cantab-dot.net> - 2011-10-26 13:57 +0100
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-10-26 15:33 +0200
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-26 15:15 +0000
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-10-26 17:16 +0100
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) fatalist <simfidude@gmail.com> - 2011-10-26 09:21 -0700
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-26 21:42 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) "langwadt@fonz.dk" <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2011-10-28 10:21 -0700
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Rick <richardcortese@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 07:55 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 21:25 -0700
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2011-11-05 05:33 -0700
  Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) ashtonrsmiller <rmiller@storm.ca> - 2011-10-24 20:14 -0700
  Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) "rupertlssmith@googlemail.com" <rupertlssmith@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-26 07:13 -0700
    Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Rick <richardcortese@gmail.com> - 2011-10-26 11:27 -0700
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    Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-27 13:54 -0700
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-10-28 00:07 +0100
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-10-28 09:17 +0200
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Rick <richardcortese@gmail.com> - 2011-10-28 12:15 -0700
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2011-10-29 12:20 +0200
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-29 15:10 +0000
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                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-29 21:08 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2011-10-30 00:35 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) clvrmnky <spamtrap@clevermonkey.org> - 2011-10-31 00:51 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-10-29 21:37 +0200
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                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2011-10-31 05:44 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> - 2011-10-31 01:24 -0500
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-10-31 08:46 +0100
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                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-31 17:07 +0000
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