Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network)

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network)
Date	2011-11-04 00:13 +0100
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Gerry Jackson wrote:
> A lot of this ground is covered in a book called 'Sex, Science &
> Profits' by Terence Kealey (I don't know why sex is in the title as it
> is hardly mentioned in the book). As well as saying and justifying
> that patents are bad he also claims, with evidence, that government
> funded research is much less effective than just letting industry fund
> it themselves.

Of course, the government is not a good investor, because they have no 
incentive to be a good investor.  I've seen government funded projects, 
they are typically just there to milk the government.  The government 
better should get out of the way, which it does both by funding and by 
granting patents.

The main conclusion of this book is that small is beautiful, i.e. a 
thriving economy has many small players rather than a few large.  
Naturally, large corporations have many difficulties that makes them 
easy to beat on the market.  However, they have a huge advantage when it 
comes to lobbying and bribing, so often large companies concentrate on 
making business with the state or similar entities, where bribing is 
essential to get a contract.

Granting monopolies like patents on ideas allows it big corporations to 
extend their market to ordinary customers, who would be much better 
without them.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-24 12:59 -0700
  Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Mark Wills <forthfreak@forthfiles.net> - 2011-10-24 13:40 -0700
    Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Paul Gotch <paulg@at-cantab-dot.net> - 2011-10-24 23:20 +0100
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) fatalist <simfidude@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 06:38 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) ashtonrsmiller <rmiller@storm.ca> - 2011-10-25 07:47 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 08:25 -0700
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-10-25 20:21 -0400
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-10-26 07:54 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Paul Gotch <paulg@at-cantab-dot.net> - 2011-10-26 13:02 +0100
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) fatalist <simfidude@gmail.com> - 2011-10-26 05:36 -0700
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Paul Gotch <paulg@at-cantab-dot.net> - 2011-10-26 13:57 +0100
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-10-26 15:33 +0200
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-26 15:15 +0000
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-10-26 17:16 +0100
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) fatalist <simfidude@gmail.com> - 2011-10-26 09:21 -0700
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-26 21:42 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) "langwadt@fonz.dk" <langwadt@fonz.dk> - 2011-10-28 10:21 -0700
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Rick <richardcortese@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 07:55 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-25 21:25 -0700
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2011-11-05 05:33 -0700
  Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) ashtonrsmiller <rmiller@storm.ca> - 2011-10-24 20:14 -0700
  Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) "rupertlssmith@googlemail.com" <rupertlssmith@googlemail.com> - 2011-10-26 07:13 -0700
    Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Rick <richardcortese@gmail.com> - 2011-10-26 11:27 -0700
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) spope33@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) - 2011-10-27 04:21 +0000
    Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-27 13:54 -0700
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-10-28 00:07 +0100
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-10-28 09:17 +0200
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Rick <richardcortese@gmail.com> - 2011-10-28 12:15 -0700
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2011-10-29 12:20 +0200
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-29 15:10 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2011-10-29 19:57 +0200
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-29 21:08 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2011-10-30 00:35 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) clvrmnky <spamtrap@clevermonkey.org> - 2011-10-31 00:51 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-10-29 21:37 +0200
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2011-10-29 22:14 +0100
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-11-04 00:13 +0100
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2011-10-31 05:44 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> - 2011-10-31 01:24 -0500
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-10-31 08:46 +0100
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) dp <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2011-10-31 00:37 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-31 09:43 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-31 17:07 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-11-04 00:13 +0100
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-31 09:27 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2011-10-31 17:47 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-10-31 21:33 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Rick <richardcortese@gmail.com> - 2011-10-31 20:36 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-11-01 04:49 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2011-11-01 04:05 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2011-10-31 18:20 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-31 12:17 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-10-31 19:18 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) David Brown <david.brown@removethis.hesbynett.no> - 2011-10-31 21:56 +0100
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Al Clark <aclark@danvillesignal.com> - 2011-11-01 03:54 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-11-01 05:38 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-01 09:54 -0700
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-10-28 09:46 -0700
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2011-10-28 17:58 +0100
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-28 12:07 -0700
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-10-29 09:49 +0000
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-29 08:17 -0700
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-11-02 10:28 -0700
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-02 12:15 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-11-02 23:34 +0100
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-11-03 06:32 -0500
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE ConsultaQ          Network) Kulin Remailer <remailer@reece.net.au> - 2011-11-03 14:35 +0000
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE ConsultaQ        ? Network) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-11-03 10:44 -0500
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                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE ConsultaQ        ? Network) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2011-11-04 18:09 -0500
                Patents [Was: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE ConsultaQ        ? Network) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-11-05 04:13 -0500
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE ConsultaQ ? Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-05 16:28 -0700
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE ConsultaQ ? Network) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-11-11 01:02 +0100
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-10-28 22:15 +0200
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-28 12:03 -0700
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-10-28 22:50 +0200
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-10-29 08:23 -0700
  Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-02 12:18 -0700
  Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-05 16:46 -0700
    Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-11-06 17:28 +0000
      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 11:08 -0800
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) fatalist <simfidude@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 11:34 -0800
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 12:13 -0800
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-11-07 20:30 +0000
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 13:04 -0800
        Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-11-07 20:18 +0000
          Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> - 2011-11-07 14:41 -0600
            Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-07 13:11 -0800
              Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> - 2011-11-07 17:04 -0600
                Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) - 2011-11-08 01:33 +0000
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      Re: Patent Reform Town Hall Meeting (Balt/Washington Area IEEE Consultants Network) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2011-11-23 15:09 -0800

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