Re: Renaissance of Forth

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From	Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl>
Subject	Re: Renaissance of Forth
Date	2011-04-02 00:23 +0000
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Organization	Dutch Forth Workshop
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In article <7x7hbdsr4i.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>,
Paul Rubin  <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> writes:
>> I've been writing an assembler for Chuck Moore's new chip.
>> I had this thought of expressing the instructions in a way
>> as familiar to C-programmers as possible.
>> It doesn't look good.
>
>I don't see much point to trying to make asm code look like C.

You realise that large parts of OSes/drivers is assembler
that looks like C? (Or to be precise syntactically it is C,
semantically it is assembler.)

volatile (char *)pape = 0x0fe;
       if (*pape & HOERA_BIT ) ....
>
>Greg Bailey (see his talk on the recent Forth Day video) asked for
>someone to target an actual C compiler to a VM running on the Green
>Arrays chip (sort of the way they run Eforth on it), but that's a bit
>different.

Not me. Writing a C-compiler for a GA144 is at least ten times as hard
as for the 6502. Then you have lots of processors to emulate a single
thread. Then you are going to defeat the c-syntax to add some
parallelism, uninspiring

What would inspire me is to map Haskel or some such on
multiple processors. Functional/declaritive programming
is a much better match for parallelism.

My short term target is making a postit fixup assembler
for the thing, such that I can use the chip to absolutely
full potential. With 32 instructions and no irregularities
and barocque stuff, it is easily mastered. I estimate that
the parpi project would have taken at most 10% more time,
if it had to be done in assembler,  or maybe it would have
made no difference.

Groetjes Albert

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Renaissance of Forth visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2011-03-31 16:06 -0700
  Re: Renaissance of Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-04-01 02:29 -0500
  Re: Renaissance of Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-04-01 12:46 +0000
    Re: Renaissance of Forth Dennis <daruffer@gmail.com> - 2011-04-01 07:36 -0700
      Re: Renaissance of Forth Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-01 07:47 -0700
      Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-01 16:40 -0700
        Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-01 18:20 -0700
    Re: Renaissance of Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-01 12:34 -0700
      Re: Renaissance of Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-04-02 00:23 +0000
        Re: Renaissance of Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-01 16:24 -0700
  Re: Renaissance of Forth Gary Bergstrom <g.bergstrom@ieee.org> - 2011-04-01 08:36 -0700
  Re: Renaissance of Forth "The Beez'" <hansoft@bigfoot.com> - 2011-04-01 16:04 -0700
    Re: Renaissance of Forth mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2011-04-02 10:40 +0200
      Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-02 14:50 -0700
        Re: Renaissance of Forth "Massimo A. Dentico" <massimo_dentico@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-03 00:34 +0200
          Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-02 21:08 -0700
            Re: Renaissance of Forth mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2011-04-03 09:24 +0200
              Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-03 15:45 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-03 16:45 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-04-03 14:01 -1000
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-04-06 22:43 +0000
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-03 17:34 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-04 10:55 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth pliz <s.m.plis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-04 13:11 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 09:10 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-04 16:33 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-04-04 16:31 -1000
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-04 19:52 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 09:58 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-05 18:36 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-06 13:53 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-06 15:29 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 08:35 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-07 16:20 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-04-05 08:56 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 09:35 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-06 17:48 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-12 15:47 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 09:27 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-13 09:55 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2011-04-13 13:02 -0500
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-04-13 09:01 -1000
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 13:23 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-13 20:32 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 20:52 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-13 22:26 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 23:42 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-14 10:42 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 13:06 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-14 14:26 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 21:31 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-14 23:42 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 00:56 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 08:03 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 09:28 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 10:28 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 20:40 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-13 22:57 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-04 08:39 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-04 09:41 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-04-06 22:39 +0000
  Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-02 20:32 -0700
    Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-02 22:06 -0700
      Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-03 07:17 -0700
  Re: Renaissance of Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-04-04 17:09 +0000
    Re: Renaissance of Forth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-04-05 15:55 +0200
      Re: Renaissance of Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-04-07 16:25 +0000
        Re: Renaissance of Forth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-04-08 21:07 +0200
          Re: Renaissance of Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-04-09 17:29 +0000
            Re: Renaissance of Forth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-04-10 18:39 +0200
      redirecting TYPE to a string (was: Renaissance of Forth) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-04-09 16:54 +0000
        Re: redirecting TYPE to a string (was: Renaissance of Forth) BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-09 13:07 -0700
        Re: redirecting TYPE to a string (was: Renaissance of Forth) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-04-10 18:07 +0200

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