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Re: Renaissance of Forth

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From Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl>
Subject Re: Renaissance of Forth
Date 2011-04-01 12:46 +0000
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Organization Dutch Forth Workshop
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In article <6224e7e6-c367-4a01-baea-7532a2a164c1@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
 <visualforth@rocketmail.com> wrote:
 <SNIP>
>
>I know there is an animosity against C, and not only once the question
>came up "Is Forth faster or smaller than C?". But C and Forth are not
>comparable. These programming languages are different. And C may
>increase the usability of Forth.
>
>Adding a C compiler to Forth may lead to a Renaissance of Forth.
>This may be the missing link for many.

I've been writing an assembler for Chuck Moore's new chip.
I had this thought of expressing the instructions in a way
as familiar to C-programmers as possible.
It doesn't look good.

OTOH. There are forth imports from DLL and .so libraries.
If the c-calling syntax of a particular (!) C-compiler
*and* the object file format (!) are
sufficiently transparent (!), one could imagine to import
code words from object files generated by this c-compiler
and embed them in assembly Forth words directly.

This looks doable, and can be beneficial in the cases
were tested code is present for c, not Forth.
Examples could be and FFT.

gforth could be a good candidate to experiment with this,
as it already contains code generated via c.

Don't call it "adding a c-compiler to Forth".
It gives the wrong impressions.

>
>Best Regards,
>Dirk Bruehl

Groetjes Albert

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Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
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Renaissance of Forth visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2011-03-31 16:06 -0700
  Re: Renaissance of Forth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2011-04-01 02:29 -0500
  Re: Renaissance of Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-04-01 12:46 +0000
    Re: Renaissance of Forth Dennis <daruffer@gmail.com> - 2011-04-01 07:36 -0700
      Re: Renaissance of Forth Brad <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2011-04-01 07:47 -0700
      Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-01 16:40 -0700
        Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-01 18:20 -0700
    Re: Renaissance of Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-01 12:34 -0700
      Re: Renaissance of Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-04-02 00:23 +0000
        Re: Renaissance of Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-01 16:24 -0700
  Re: Renaissance of Forth Gary Bergstrom <g.bergstrom@ieee.org> - 2011-04-01 08:36 -0700
  Re: Renaissance of Forth "The Beez'" <hansoft@bigfoot.com> - 2011-04-01 16:04 -0700
    Re: Renaissance of Forth mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2011-04-02 10:40 +0200
      Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-02 14:50 -0700
        Re: Renaissance of Forth "Massimo A. Dentico" <massimo_dentico@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-03 00:34 +0200
          Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-02 21:08 -0700
            Re: Renaissance of Forth mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2011-04-03 09:24 +0200
              Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-03 15:45 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-03 16:45 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-04-03 14:01 -1000
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-04-06 22:43 +0000
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-03 17:34 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-04 10:55 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth pliz <s.m.plis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-04 13:11 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 09:10 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-04 16:33 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-04-04 16:31 -1000
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-04 19:52 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 09:58 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-05 18:36 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-06 13:53 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-06 15:29 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-07 08:35 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-07 16:20 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2011-04-05 08:56 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-05 09:35 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-06 17:48 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-12 15:47 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 09:27 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-13 09:55 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> - 2011-04-13 13:02 -0500
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2011-04-13 09:01 -1000
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 13:23 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-13 20:32 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 20:52 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-13 22:26 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 23:42 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-14 10:42 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 13:06 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-14 14:26 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 21:31 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-14 23:42 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 00:56 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 08:03 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Micke <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 09:28 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 10:28 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 20:40 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-13 22:57 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-04 08:39 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-04 09:41 -0700
                Re: Renaissance of Forth Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2011-04-06 22:39 +0000
  Re: Renaissance of Forth Bluebee <visualforth@rocketmail.com> - 2011-04-02 20:32 -0700
    Re: Renaissance of Forth John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2011-04-02 22:06 -0700
      Re: Renaissance of Forth BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-03 07:17 -0700
  Re: Renaissance of Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-04-04 17:09 +0000
    Re: Renaissance of Forth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-04-05 15:55 +0200
      Re: Renaissance of Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-04-07 16:25 +0000
        Re: Renaissance of Forth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-04-08 21:07 +0200
          Re: Renaissance of Forth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-04-09 17:29 +0000
            Re: Renaissance of Forth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-04-10 18:39 +0200
      redirecting TYPE to a string (was: Renaissance of Forth) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2011-04-09 16:54 +0000
        Re: redirecting TYPE to a string (was: Renaissance of Forth) BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2011-04-09 13:07 -0700
        Re: redirecting TYPE to a string (was: Renaissance of Forth) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2011-04-10 18:07 +0200

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