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hughaguilar96@yahoo.com wrote:
> This is not entrepreneurship however. It is still highly illegal to
> manufacture anything for sale to the general public (your neighbors). All
> of those small companies that you are describing are selling to the state.
> It is only legal to make blue jeans if they are for sale to the state,
> which sells them to America (mostly through WalMart).

This is complete bullocks.  My chinese girlfriend is the cashier of such a 
not-very-big company, and nothing they sell goes to the state or to America.  
They make and sell paper.  They are not state-owned, the Chinese government 
has mostly subscribed to capitalism with the exception that the big banks 
are still controlled and some legacy and struggling companies they own since 
1948.

> My information on China, in the sense of talking to a Chinese expatriot,
> does come from about 1991.

Which is 22 years ago, and a hell lot of things have changed since then.  A 
big problem with expats is that they remember their country the way it was 
when they left, and don't get an update.  China is changing at a very rapid 
pace.  I'm telling the expats I know to keep up with the changes in their 
homeland.

> Since then however, I have read several books
> on the subject. There have been changes --- but the idea that China has
> embraced capitalism is absurd --- the Chinese are almost another species,
> and they aren't going to change their nature.

But they have never been communists for the last 2200 years, they started 
with that in 1948.  They have indeed embraced capitalism in the meantime, 
though of course in most parts of the country that was after 1990.

This "another species" is for sure racism.  There are only two kinds of 
speciees of men on this planet: morlocks and eloi ;-).  The morlocks are 
ugly trolls living in the underground, and never getting out for a reality 
check.  Unfortunately, someone gave them internet access, so we now know 
they already exist ;-).

> The Chinese people on average put 40% of their income into savings.

Not any longer, that number was from a time where most people went to the 
new factories and saved for starting their shop in their village.  They have 
saved that stuff and went home, and started their shop and invested the 
money.  They are still saving, but most of the savings are for retirement 
now (the social system is poor).

Commodities in China are quite affordable today; though of course the 
overall wealth is still significantly less than in the US.  They managed to 
create substantial domestic growth from consumption; it is not growing as 
fast as before, though.

Japan went through a similar conversion, but mostly failed.  China has the 
advantage of being much bigger, and having enough people to consume the 
goods they make.

> Here in America, because there are practically no tariffs on imports, we
> can go to WalMart and buy a lot of Chinese-made stuff for very low prices,
> and we typically spend all of our income and save nothing. The result is
> that our manufacturing is going out of business because they can't compete
> on price. Eventually Beijing will pull the rug out from under us, and then
> we will be in big trouble --- the Chinese products will be available only
> at high cost, and our own products won't be available at all because our
> factories are shut down.

Yes, indeed.  You'll probably all end up in dept bondage.

> We do the same thing to the third-world though, especially in regard to
> food. Our standard strategy is to dump low-cost or even free food on
> third-world countries under the guise of "humanitarianism." After the
> farmers in those countries have gone out of business because they can't
> compete in price against free food, we pull the rug out from under them by
> hitting them with high prices for food. At that time, there is a famine
> because nobody can afford our prices, and the big American corporations
> swoop in and buy up the land. Then they use the land for growing export
> crops to be shipped to America --- they don't grow crops that can be used
> to feed the people of that country --- so the famine continues, despite
> the fact that the country is mostly good farmland that could easily
> provide enough food for the people.

This sort of things started when England conquered Ireland.

>> > As a libertarian I am opposed to communism. OTOH, I don't consider the
>> > GPL to be bad because I see it as volunteerism.
>> 
>> Ok, so you now contradict yourself.  But this view is certainly closer to
>> the truth.
> 
> I'm not contradicting myself. I clearly said that I think volunteerism is
> a good thing, but am opposed to forced labor.

Well, you first said it's communism, and communism is forced labor, which is 
bad, and then you say the GPL is volunteerism, which is good.

> Your response to my post would make a lot more sense if you read through
> my post first, before you began responding to it --- just firing off
> opinions as they pop into your head as you read the post, results in a lot
> of nonsense.

Maybe you read your nonsense before you post it ;-).

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Dennis Ruffer <daruffer@gmail.com> - 2013-06-20 21:47 -0700
  Re: Disassembly of arrayForth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-06-21 14:34 +0000
    Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Luca Saiu <positron@gnu.org> - 2013-06-25 12:01 +0200
      Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-25 03:32 -0700
        Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Luca Saiu <positron@gnu.org> - 2013-06-25 12:37 +0200
          Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-25 05:01 -0700
            Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-25 15:16 +0200
              Re: Disassembly of arrayForth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-25 14:06 +0000
              Re: Disassembly of arrayForth "Ed" <invalid@invalid.com> - 2013-06-26 15:58 +1000
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-06-26 03:25 -0500
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-06-27 15:56 +0200
            Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Luca Saiu <positron@gnu.org> - 2013-06-25 17:05 +0200
              Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Luca Saiu <positron@gnu.org> - 2013-06-25 17:07 +0200
              Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-25 10:00 -0700
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Luca Saiu <positron@gnu.org> - 2013-06-25 21:08 +0200
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-10 11:43 -0700
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-10 21:17 +0100
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-10 23:23 +0200
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-11 02:13 -0500
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-11 20:40 +0200
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-08-11 17:14 -0500
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-08-12 13:52 +0000
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-11 23:58 -0700
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-12 15:27 +0200
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-12 06:41 -0700
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-08-13 00:36 -0700
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-08-13 23:44 +0200
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-13 23:40 +0100
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-13 21:58 -0700
        Re: Disassembly of arrayForth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-25 12:59 +0000
      Re: Disassembly of arrayForth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-06-28 01:54 +0000
        Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-28 00:37 -0700
          Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-06-28 02:53 -0500
            Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-28 01:34 -0700
              Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-06-28 04:27 -0500
        Re: Disassembly of arrayForth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-28 15:16 +0000
          Re: Disassembly of arrayForth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-06-28 15:43 +0000
            Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Dennis Ruffer <daruffer@gmail.com> - 2013-08-08 20:12 -0700
              Re: Disassembly of arrayForth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-08-09 17:19 +0000
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth Dennis Ruffer <daruffer@gmail.com> - 2013-08-09 18:19 -0700
                Re: Disassembly of arrayForth "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-10 21:45 +0100
    Re: Disassembly of arrayForth hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-10 11:52 -0700
      Re: Disassembly of arrayForth albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-08-10 19:10 +0000
      Re: Disassembly of arrayForth "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-10 21:34 +0100
        Re: Disassembly of arrayForth hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2013-08-11 23:17 -0700
          Re: Disassembly of arrayForth "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-12 12:15 +0100
          Re: Disassembly of arrayForth "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-08-12 16:34 +0100

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