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Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter.

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter.
Date	2013-04-30 01:50 +0200
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Elizabeth D Rather wrote:

> On 4/29/2013 11:35 AM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> FORTH, Inc. Forth hasn't been limited to count+3 for ~30 years.

That was an example about how a cross-compiler helped during the development 
of fig-Forth.  microForth, the inspirational source of fig-Forth had 
count+3, and that was changed during the development of fig-Forth.

> However, it's true that there are some things that require a
> metacompiler. They're complicated beasties to develop from scratch
> (though quite easy to manage once you have one working). Folks wouldn't
> have developed them unless they had a function to perform!

Indeed.  The question here is if you could do a simpler metacompiler.  E.g. 
the b16 assembler is generating raw binary for a target, and by going the 
machine Forth route, it's a hell lot easier than the Gforth cross compiler.  
I wonder if that could be an approach to make meta-compiling easier.  Or at 
least easier to comprehend, as the b16 assembler is called "assembler" for 
good reasons.

Actually, as it uses Forth as host, it is a macro-assembler, with Forth as 
macro language.  This allows to define words which put arbitrary data into 
the target, like headers and such.  So a full-featured Forth in b16 
assembler would start with the definition of some macros that create headers 
(in the target)+labels (on the host) instead of just creating labels on the 
host.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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The most elegant Forth interpreter. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-27 09:13 +0000
  Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-27 22:46 -0700
    Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-28 03:37 -0500
      Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-28 12:58 +0000
        Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-28 17:00 -0500
          Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-28 18:26 -0700
            Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-29 03:28 -0500
              Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-29 01:38 -0700
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                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2013-05-11 11:01 -0500
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. David Schultz <abuse@127.0.0.1> - 2013-05-11 15:53 -0500
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              Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-04-29 08:07 -1000
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-29 20:55 +0200
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-29 16:28 -0500
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-29 23:35 +0200
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-29 17:28 -0500
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-29 23:20 -0700
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-04-29 21:11 -1000
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                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-30 01:57 -0700
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-30 09:00 +0000
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-30 02:10 -0700
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-30 14:34 +0000
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-04-30 17:18 +0200
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                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-30 04:13 -0500
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-30 18:40 +0200
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-30 12:50 -0500
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-03 22:01 -0700
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-04-30 04:09 -0500
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-06 19:29 -0700
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2013-04-29 12:35 -1000
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-04-30 01:50 +0200
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-04-29 13:55 -1000
                Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-30 09:03 +0000
            Re: The most elegant Forth interpreter. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-04-29 10:32 +0000
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