Re: ENVIRONMENT?

From	stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: ENVIRONMENT?
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Date	2012-07-04 17:31 +0000

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 07:08:35 -0700 (PDT), Mark Wills
<markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Are we saying that most (all?) other Forth systems simply skip over
>this inconvenient carbuncle and return a false regardless of the
>query?

Desktop systems don't really care about a bit more RAM, so MPE
and most other vendors implemented ENVIONMENT? fully a very
long time ago, and only look at the code when someone moans
about it - nobody has done yet.

Standalone embedded systems have no need for ENVIRONMENT?
so typically do not include it. Umbilical systems could,
but MPE have never bothered and nobody has asked for it.

>If so, not only does that serve to validate and reinforce the
>point(s) that I am making, but it also makes a mockery of the
>standard.

Returning 0 (unknown) is just a hack that satisfies the
words of the standard. ENVIRONMENT? is another "kewl idea"
of its time. The "kewl idea" had no common practice and
proved of little value except to force people to document
part of their systems.

ENVIRONMENT? serves to show that there's a reason why ANS
and other standards committees reject most ideas with no
common practice.

Stephen

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ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-03 05:03 -0700
  Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-03 07:45 -0500
  Re: ENVIRONMENT? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-07-03 15:29 +0000
    Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 01:52 -0700
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 04:12 -0500
        Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 02:37 -0700
          Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 05:01 -0500
            Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 03:54 -0700
              Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 06:52 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 05:21 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 05:19 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 07:42 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 06:47 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 09:42 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 08:06 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-04 22:05 +0200
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 08:14 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-07-05 16:48 +0000
            Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 04:00 -0700
              Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 06:53 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 05:20 -0700
              Re: ENVIRONMENT? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-04 12:31 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 08:07 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 07:16 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-04 17:22 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 07:12 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 09:47 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 08:14 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 11:53 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-04 17:37 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-07-04 12:46 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-04 21:59 +0200
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-05 02:36 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-07-04 13:31 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-05 02:06 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-05 02:33 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-05 12:12 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-05 07:50 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-05 14:15 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-05 15:31 +0200
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-05 14:33 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-06 00:43 +0200
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-07-06 15:37 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-05 09:46 -0500
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 12:44 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 07:08 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-04 17:31 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-07-05 16:44 +0000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-07-04 08:30 -1000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-05 02:43 +0000
          Re: ENVIRONMENT? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-07-04 08:16 -1000
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-07-04 11:57 -0700
        Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 12:33 -0700
          Re: ENVIRONMENT? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-07-04 13:04 -0700
            Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 13:28 -0700
            Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 13:36 -0700
              Re: ENVIRONMENT? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-07-04 10:49 -1000
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 13:58 -0700
                Re: ENVIRONMENT? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-04 22:07 +0000
                Standards Body Attendance (was Re: ENVIRONMENT?) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-07-05 05:21 -0700
                Re: Standards Body Attendance (was Re: ENVIRONMENT?) stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-05 15:44 +0000
                Re: Standards Body Attendance (was Re: ENVIRONMENT?) Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-07-06 10:35 -0700
              Re: ENVIRONMENT? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2012-07-04 22:50 +0200
              Re: ENVIRONMENT? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-07-04 16:30 -0700
          Re: ENVIRONMENT? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-05 02:33 +0000
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-07-06 15:48 +0000
        Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-06 11:47 -0700
          Re: ENVIRONMENT? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-07-06 14:07 -0700
        Re: ENVIRONMENT? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-06 23:55 +0200
  Re: ENVIRONMENT? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-03 18:24 +0000
    Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 01:55 -0700
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-05 00:19 -0700
    Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 02:29 -0700
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-04 15:53 +0000
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2012-07-04 18:03 +0200
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-07-06 15:42 +0000
        Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-06 11:41 -0700
          Re: ENVIRONMENT? BruceMcF <agila61@netscape.net> - 2012-07-06 14:14 -0700
          Re: ENVIRONMENT? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-06 23:51 +0200
          Re: ENVIRONMENT? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-07-07 09:24 +0000
  Re: ENVIRONMENT? Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-03 21:46 -0700
    Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 02:04 -0700
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-07-04 04:30 -0500
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 02:32 -0700
      Re: ENVIRONMENT? Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-04 16:00 +0000
        Re: ENVIRONMENT? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-04 08:37 -0700

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