Re: i finally get the messes caused by re using code

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: i finally get the messes caused by re using code
Date	2013-04-22 10:40 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
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marko <marko@marko.marko> writes:
>>   http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html
>
>
>An excellent read, but I still can't work out if Forth is "The right thing" 
>or "Worse is better"!  maybe that is why it works.

I would say neither.  "Forth" as in "Chuck Moore's approach" often
consists of defining large parts of the problem away (e.g., the syntax
of the programming language), so much, that, for many users you have
to spend extra effort to convince them that the solution satisfies
their requirements; i.e., for these users the Forth solution does not
look "good enough" at first.  

Hmm, looking at the programming language syntax of Lisp, the same can
be said about "the right thing".  So maybe "the right thing" is just
Gabriel's way to have a good feeling about the lack of popularity of
his favourite language and design philosophy.

In any case, if there is a failing in the Forth approach, it's not in
trying too much to achieve perfection, but in simplifying too much.

- anton
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  Re: i finally get the messes caused by re using code Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-04-16 23:47 -0700
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                Re: i finally get the messes caused by re using code marko <marko@marko.marko> - 2013-04-21 22:53 +1000
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                Re: i finally get the messes caused by re using code Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-21 16:54 -0700
                Re: i finally get the messes caused by re using code marko <marko@marko.marko> - 2013-04-22 15:39 +1000
                Re: i finally get the messes caused by re using code anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-04-22 10:40 +0000
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                Re: i finally get the messes caused by re using code anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-04-22 15:32 +0000
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