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iso646.h

Started byLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2024-01-22 01:51 +0000
Last post2024-01-25 15:02 +0100
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  iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-22 01:51 +0000
    Re: iso646.h Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-22 02:00 +0000
    Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-21 21:48 -0500
      Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-22 05:23 +0000
    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-22 09:30 +0100
      Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-22 16:24 +0000
        Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-22 20:34 +0000
          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-22 13:22 -0800
            Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-22 22:07 +0000
              Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-22 14:56 -0800
                Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-22 23:44 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-23 00:10 +0000
      Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-22 20:34 +0000
        Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-22 21:32 +0000
        Re: iso646.h Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-22 23:08 +0000
          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-22 23:37 +0000
            Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-23 00:12 +0000
            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-23 06:54 +0100
              Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 06:05 +0000
                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 09:34 +0100
                Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 15:43 +0000
        Re: iso646.h Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-22 20:23 -0800
        Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-23 06:47 +0100
          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 21:50 +0000
            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 08:59 +0100
        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-23 09:24 +0100
          Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-23 21:30 +0000
            Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-23 22:03 +0000
            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 08:53 +0100
              Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 07:58 -0800
                Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 20:11 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 12:23 -0800
                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-24 21:55 +0100
                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-25 07:22 +0100
                  Re: iso646.h Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-24 20:25 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 00:17 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-25 00:50 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-25 01:23 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 18:30 -0800
                      Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-25 01:33 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 21:20 +0000
              Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 16:56 +0000
                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 18:07 +0100
                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 18:12 +0100
                  Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 21:08 +0000
            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-24 10:03 +0100
        Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-23 11:54 +0000
        Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 16:32 +0000
          Re: iso646.h Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-23 17:21 +0000
            Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-23 21:49 +0000
            Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 21:52 +0000
              Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 14:51 -0800
                Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 23:33 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 16:16 -0800
                    Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 00:39 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 11:53 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 09:15 +0100
              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 09:02 +0100
            C/CPP macro conventions (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 08:25 +0100
              Re: C/CPP macro conventions (was Re: iso646.h) Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 08:25 +0000
                Re: C/CPP macro conventions (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 10:09 +0100
                Re: C/CPP macro conventions (was Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-24 10:13 +0100
                Re: C/CPP macro conventions (was Re: iso646.h) Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-25 23:05 +0000
          Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-23 18:34 +0000
            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-23 18:52 +0000
              Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-23 14:23 -0500
                Re: iso646.h kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-23 20:32 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 21:52 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-23 22:09 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-23 22:37 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 09:10 +0100
                          Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-24 12:24 -0500
                            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 18:38 +0100
                              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 18:42 +0100
                              Re: iso646.h kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-24 17:49 +0000
                                Re: iso646.h kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-24 18:40 +0000
                                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 20:15 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-24 22:01 +0100
                              Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 11:52 -0800
                                Re: iso646.h kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-24 20:03 +0000
                            Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 20:14 +0000
                            Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 21:11 +0000
                              Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-25 00:01 -0500
                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 13:43 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-25 14:19 +0100
                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 15:20 +0100
                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-25 16:40 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-25 13:43 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 16:11 +0100
                                Re: iso646.h Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-03 11:35 -0800
                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 09:09 +0100
                  Unix shell conditionals (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 08:38 +0100
                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-23 21:28 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-23 22:00 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-23 22:33 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-23 23:46 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 14:49 -0800
                  Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-23 19:45 -0500
                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 09:28 +0100
            Python (Re: iso646.h) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-23 19:32 +0000
              Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-23 19:59 +0000
                Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-23 20:18 +0000
                  Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2024-01-24 07:49 -0700
                    Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-24 15:07 +0000
                    Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-01-24 15:17 +0000
                      Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-24 15:46 +0000
                        Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-01-24 16:27 +0000
                          Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-24 19:55 +0000
                            Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-01-24 20:57 +0000
                        Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 20:17 +0000
                          Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-25 12:13 +0000
                            Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-25 14:57 +0000
                              Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 16:17 +0100
                              Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-25 15:52 +0000
                                Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-25 16:14 +0000
                                Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 11:27 -0800
                            Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-25 18:06 +0000
                              Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-25 19:35 +0000
                    Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-24 15:56 +0000
              Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 12:09 -0800
                Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 22:00 +0000
                  Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-01-27 22:12 +0000
                    Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 00:29 +0000
              Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 21:55 +0000
                Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-23 22:47 +0000
                  Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 15:35 -0800
                    Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 00:41 +0000
                      Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 03:13 +0000
                  Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 23:37 +0000
                    Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-26 05:48 -0800
                  Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-23 23:51 +0000
                    Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 16:35 -0800
                      Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 16:40 -0800
                  Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-24 00:06 +0000
                    Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-24 12:37 +0100
                  Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-25 22:55 +0000
              Re: Python (Re: iso646.h) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-01-24 13:30 +0000
            Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 12:13 -0800
              Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 22:01 +0000
                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-23 22:45 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 23:39 +0000
                Re: iso646.h kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-23 22:54 +0000
                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 15:10 -0800
                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 23:40 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 16:27 -0800
                      Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 00:47 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 17:32 -0800
                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 02:42 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-23 23:56 -0500
                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 05:24 +0000
                            Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 21:43 -0800
                              Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 06:35 +0000
                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-24 14:14 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 20:19 +0000
                                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 07:34 -0800
                      Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-23 23:26 -0500
                        Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-23 20:53 -0800
                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 09:41 +0100
                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 08:15 -0800
                    Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 19:32 +0000
              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 09:06 +0100
                Re: iso646.h Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-24 14:17 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 08:30 -0800
                    Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 21:00 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-24 22:13 +0000
                        Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 00:44 +0000
                          Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-25 01:37 +0000
                            Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-01-25 02:20 +0000
                              Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 18:23 -0800
                              Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-25 11:58 +0000
                            Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 02:49 +0000
                              Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 19:09 -0800
                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 17:44 +0100
                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-24 17:27 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-24 20:21 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 12:26 -0800
                    Re: iso646.h Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-24 20:31 +0000
                      Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 00:53 +0000
                        Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-25 01:24 +0000
                          Re: COBOL (was Re: iso646.h) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 18:21 -0800
                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-24 22:09 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 23:20 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 15:56 -0800
            Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 12:20 +0000
              Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-24 13:00 +0000
              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-24 14:22 +0100
              Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-24 14:54 +0100
                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 08:27 -0800
                  Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-24 20:50 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 14:01 +0100
                      Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-25 13:53 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 16:48 +0100
                      Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 09:57 -0800
                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 21:07 +0100
                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 20:18 +0000
                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-26 15:59 +0100
                              Re: Compose Key (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-26 21:22 +0000
                                Re: Compose Key (was Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-27 16:17 +0100
                                  Re: Compose Key (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-27 21:28 +0000
                                  Re: Compose Key (was Re: iso646.h) Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-01-27 22:38 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 20:08 +0000
                          Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-25 20:30 +0000
                          Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-25 21:13 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 20:06 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-25 21:04 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-25 21:16 +0000
                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 22:01 +0000
                            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-26 02:11 +0100
                              Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-26 01:19 +0000
                        Operators (Algol 68) (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-26 02:08 +0100
                  Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-25 00:52 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 17:07 -0800
                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-25 07:48 +0100
                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 14:07 +0100
                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-25 14:35 +0100
                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 16:53 +0100
                          Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-25 17:11 +0100
                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 21:11 +0100
                              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-26 02:21 +0100
                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-26 17:01 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-26 18:31 +0100
                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-26 19:59 +0100
                                      Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-26 12:27 -0800
                                        Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-26 22:01 +0100
                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-26 22:30 +0100
                                        Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-26 20:22 -0500
                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-27 16:43 +0100
                                          Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 20:14 +0100
                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 14:09 +0100
                                    Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-26 20:10 -0500
                                      Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-27 16:44 +0100
                                        Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-27 20:49 +0000
                                          Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 00:22 +0000
                                            Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 01:18 +0000
                                              Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 02:06 +0000
                                          Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-28 12:35 +0100
                                            Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 20:40 +0000
                                              Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 09:52 +0100
                                                Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 05:13 +0000
                                                  Re: Functional Programming (was Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 09:21 +0100
                                        Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-28 01:31 -0500
                                          Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-28 12:40 +0100
                      Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-26 21:16 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-26 22:46 +0100
                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-26 22:41 +0000
                            Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-26 15:41 -0800
                              Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-26 23:51 +0000
                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 01:17 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-27 16:25 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 18:46 +0100
                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-26 23:52 +0000
                            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 01:27 +0100
                              Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-27 00:38 +0000
                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 11:09 +0100
                                  Re: Localization (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-27 20:58 +0000
                                    Re: Localization (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 15:57 +0100
                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-27 16:58 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-27 17:26 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-27 18:53 +0100
                                      Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-27 19:39 +0000
                                      Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 17:31 -0800
                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-28 12:50 +0100
                                    Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-27 20:59 +0000
                                      Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 17:34 -0800
                                        Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 01:50 +0000
                                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 17:53 -0800
                                        Re: iso646.h "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 18:47 -0800
                                      Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-28 12:53 +0100
                                        Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 20:43 +0000
                                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 14:49 -0800
                                            Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-29 00:03 +0000
                                              Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-29 01:24 +0000
                                              Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 17:48 -0800
                                                Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-29 02:17 +0000
                                                  Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 17:06 +0100
                                              Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 17:05 +0100
                                                Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-29 23:56 +0000
                                          Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 13:35 +0100
                                            Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-29 16:23 +0000
                                              Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 18:40 +0100
                                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 16:33 -0800
                              Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-27 00:42 +0000
                                Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 03:16 +0000
                              Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-27 17:24 +0000
                                Re: Java (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-27 21:04 +0000
                                  [OT] Re: Java (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 17:42 +0100
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Java (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 20:44 +0000
                                [OT] Usefulness of OO/C++/features (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 17:18 +0100
                            Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 03:11 +0000
                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 03:24 +0000
                            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 11:43 +0100
                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 11:13 +0000
                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 12:53 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 20:17 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-27 21:40 +0000
                                      Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 00:31 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 18:22 +0100
                                      Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 22:55 +0000
                                      Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 15:00 -0800
                                        Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-29 12:09 -0500
                                        Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-29 19:33 +0100
                                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 12:48 -0800
                                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-29 23:51 +0000
                                        Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-29 12:10 -0500
                                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 12:53 -0800
                                Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-27 21:06 +0000
                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 00:35 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 01:22 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 17:26 -0800
                                      Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 01:59 +0000
                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-28 13:00 +0100
                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 16:09 +0000
                                            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 18:06 +0100
                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-28 19:24 +0100
                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 19:49 +0000
                                                Re: Binary Pipelines (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-28 20:48 +0000
                                                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-28 14:54 -0800
                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 17:18 +0100
                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 18:47 +0000
                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 21:06 +0100
                                                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 13:00 -0800
                                                      Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 18:29 +0000
                                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 20:23 +0100
                                                        Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 12:06 -0800
                                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 21:04 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 06:04 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 08:59 +0100
                                                                Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 12:53 +0200
                                                                  Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 14:21 +0100
                                                            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 14:02 +0100
                                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 14:05 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 14:35 +0100
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 11:30 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 18:35 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 22:41 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 01:59 +0100
                                                    Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-29 23:55 +0000
                                                Re: iso646.h Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-29 12:10 -0800
                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 22:14 +0000
                                                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-29 22:24 +0000
                                                    Re: iso646.h Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-29 23:27 -0800
                                                      Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 09:13 +0000
                                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 14:03 +0100
                                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 15:49 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 16:06 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-01-30 16:12 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 16:33 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 16:54 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-30 19:39 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 06:12 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-31 01:39 -0500
                                                                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 14:47 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-31 19:43 +0000
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 12:14 -0800
                                                                        Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-31 20:25 +0000
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 13:26 -0800
                                                                            Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-01 01:23 +0000
                                                                              Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 01:34 +0000
                                                                                Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-01 16:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 23:25 +0000
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 15:34 -0800
                                                                            Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 01:58 +0000
                                                                              Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 18:27 -0800
                                                                              Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 14:52 +0000
                                                                                Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 16:01 +0000
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 01:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-02 02:15 +0000
                                                                              Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 05:08 +0000
                                                                                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-02 15:28 +0000
                                                                            Re: iso646.h Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-02 16:50 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-01 00:52 -0500
                                                                      Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-01 00:45 -0500
                                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 17:25 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 16:55 +0000
                                                                Creation era of stdin, stdout, stderr (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-30 19:06 +0100
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 20:29 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-30 20:24 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 12:55 -0800
                                                                  Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 21:42 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 06:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2024-02-26 04:20 -0500
                                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 17:34 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 18:43 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-30 20:54 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 06:07 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 14:45 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:20 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 08:38 -0800
                                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 19:05 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 00:08 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 02:10 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-02 02:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 03:42 +0100
                                                                        Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-02 03:47 +0000
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 20:02 -0800
                                                              Re: iso646.h dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2024-02-26 04:18 -0500
                                                        Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 15:00 +0000
                                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 15:21 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 15:53 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 06:03 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 15:28 +0200
                                                          Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-30 15:30 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 15:54 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-30 16:10 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 17:49 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-01-30 18:22 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-30 18:44 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 20:46 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 12:22 +0100
                                                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 14:58 +0100
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 15:39 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 18:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-01-30 19:45 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 11:59 -0800
                                                                  Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-30 16:16 -0500
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 12:35 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 15:09 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 15:46 +0100
                                                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 19:11 +0100
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 10:35 -0800
                                                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 11:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 17:24 +0100
                                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 22:46 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:29 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 08:41 -0800
                                                                          Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 17:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 06:00 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:15 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-30 11:50 -0800
                                                                Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 06:02 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 12:43 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 13:58 +0200
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 13:35 +0100
                                                                        Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 15:10 +0200
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 18:19 +0100
                                                                            Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 19:53 +0200
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 23:49 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:17 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-31 11:20 -0500
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 18:06 +0100
                                                                            Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-01 23:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 08:30 -0800
                                                                  Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:16 +0000
                                                        Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-31 06:06 +0000
                                                        Re: iso646.h Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-01-30 23:18 -0800
                                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 08:36 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 15:21 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:22 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 19:15 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 16:25 +0100
                                                                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 17:17 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 17:05 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 18:26 +0200
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 18:27 +0200
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 19:01 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 19:24 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 02:18 +0100
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-31 19:20 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 02:48 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 07:16 +0000
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 13:17 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 16:04 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 08:33 -0800
                                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 23:48 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 16:49 -0800
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 01:10 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 17:36 -0800
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 02:23 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 18:30 -0800
                                                                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 00:49 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-01 05:24 -0800
                                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 15:07 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 12:18 -0800
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 23:57 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 13:34 +0100
                                                                Re: iso646.h Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-03 11:27 -0800
                                                          Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 12:43 +0200
                                                            Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 12:15 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 13:49 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 17:03 +0200
                                                                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:49 +0000
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 18:04 +0200
                                                                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 16:54 +0000
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 09:16 -0800
                                                                        Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 17:21 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-31 15:53 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 17:29 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 19:36 +0200
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 19:47 +0100
                                                            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:25 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 16:33 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 17:42 +0200
                                                                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 15:58 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 17:05 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 18:18 +0200
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 17:47 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 17:20 +0000
                                                                        [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 20:11 +0100
                                                                          Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 19:28 +0000
                                                                            Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 13:12 +0100
                                                                              Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 12:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 04:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 07:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-03 01:44 +0000
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 09:34 +0100
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-02 10:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-03 01:43 +0000
                                                                                      Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 12:47 -0800
                                                                                        Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-04 22:36 +0000
                                                                                          Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 15:26 -0800
                                                                                            Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-05 01:49 +0000
                                                                                              Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 18:08 -0800
                                                                              Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 15:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 16:16 +0100
                                                                          Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-01-31 20:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 22:22 +0200
                                                                              Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-31 20:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-01-31 23:00 +0200
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-01-31 21:20 +0000
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 13:27 +0100
                                                                            Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 13:16 +0100
                                                                              Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-02-01 13:21 +0000
                                                                          Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 11:45 +0100
                                                                            Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 13:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 04:58 +0000
                                                                          Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-01 05:22 -0800
                                                                            [meta] Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 15:38 +0100
                                                                            Re: [OT] Unix shells and POSIX shell (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 05:00 +0000
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-31 19:22 +0100
                                                            Re: iso646.h Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-01 05:17 -0800
                                                            Re: Alternative Shells (was Re: iso646.h) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 05:04 +0000
                                                        Re: iso646.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-01-31 23:36 +0000
                                                          Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 00:21 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 00:47 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 01:29 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 14:42 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 15:50 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 17:06 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 23:02 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 22:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 03:13 +0100
                                                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 09:44 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-02 01:08 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 15:35 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 15:32 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 12:23 -0800
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 03:26 +0100
                                                            Re: iso646.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-02 23:41 +0000
                                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 01:53 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 14:45 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 14:57 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 16:47 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 16:22 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 15:55 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 15:41 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 17:15 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 19:36 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-01 19:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-02-01 20:03 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 23:06 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 22:38 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 09:51 +0100
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 13:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-02 15:47 +0100
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 15:38 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-02 23:38 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-02 23:59 +0000
                                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 05:24 +0000
                                                            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 14:02 +0100
                                                              Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 13:26 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-01 16:07 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 15:50 +0000
                                                                    Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 16:30 +0000
                                                                      Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 18:03 +0000
                                                                        Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 12:09 -0800
                                                                          Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 20:59 +0000
                                                                          Re: iso646.h bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-01 21:25 +0000
                                                                            Re: iso646.h "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 13:34 -0800
                                                                              Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 22:25 +0000
                                                                                Re: iso646.h "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 14:40 -0800
                                                                                Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 15:31 -0800
                                                                            Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 22:24 +0000
                                                                          Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 12:41 +0100
                                                                            Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-02 08:39 -0800
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-02-02 12:33 +0100
                                                                    Re: iso646.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-02 21:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-03 05:14 +0000
                                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-01 16:48 +0100
                                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-01 16:19 +0000
                                                              Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-01 14:53 +0000
                                          Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 18:02 +0100
                Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 19:33 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-24 19:45 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-24 19:48 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 00:30 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 03:56 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 05:25 +0000
                        Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-25 07:02 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 14:46 +0100
                  Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 14:29 +0100
                    Re: iso646.h kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-01-25 15:08 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 16:18 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 11:20 -0800
                        Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-26 12:17 +0000
                          Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-26 07:56 -0800
                            Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-26 23:03 +0000
                          Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-26 17:06 +0100
                            Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-26 18:59 +0100
                              Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-26 20:18 +0100
                                Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-26 23:15 +0000
                                  Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-26 15:55 -0800
                                  Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-27 17:07 +0100
                                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 17:34 -0800
                                      Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-28 13:02 +0100
                                Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 01:12 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-01-26 20:43 -0500
                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 11:21 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 03:05 +0000
                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 11:34 +0100
                                      Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-27 11:02 +0000
                                        Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-27 12:36 +0100
                                          Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 18:32 +0000
                                            Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 19:48 +0100
                                              Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-29 19:35 +0000
                                                Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 21:10 +0100
                                                  Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-29 22:27 +0000
                                                    Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-30 10:05 +0100
                                  Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-27 17:46 +0100
                                    Re: iso646.h Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-01-28 20:16 +0100
                                      Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-29 17:20 +0100
                    Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 10:48 -0800
          Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-23 21:51 +0000
            Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 19:48 +0000
              Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-24 19:52 +0000
                Re: iso646.h "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 13:00 -0800
                Re: iso646.h Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-01-25 00:26 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-25 01:25 +0000
              Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 12:09 -0800
                Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 03:46 +0000
                  Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-24 19:59 -0800
                    Re: iso646.h Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-01-25 05:39 +0000
                    Re: iso646.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 09:55 +0000
                      Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 15:19 +0100
                        Re: iso646.h Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-01-25 07:26 -0800
                          Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-26 17:12 +0100
                      Re: iso646.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-01-25 16:22 +0000
              Re: iso646.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-01-25 15:02 +0100

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#381196

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-29 13:00 -0800
Message-ID<87sf2f6eip.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#381185
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> On 29/01/2024 16:18, David Brown wrote:
>> On 28/01/2024 20:49, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> On 28/01/2024 18:24, David Brown wrote:
>>> I'd expect that most general purpose programs written by Norwegians
>>> use an English interface, even if it isn't really expected that the 
>>> program will find an audience beyond some users in Norway. Except
>>> of course for programs which in some way are about Norway.
>> Why?
>>
> Generally programmers are educated people and educated people use
> English for serious purposes. Not always of course and Norway might be 
> an exception. But I'd expect that in a Norweigian university, for
> example, it would be forbidden to document a program in Norwegian or
> to use non-English words for identifiers. And probably the same in a
> large Norwegina company. I might be wrong about that and I have never
> visited Norway or worked for a Norweigian employer (and obviously I
> couldn't do so unless the policy I expect was followed).

You assert that "educated people use English for serious purposes".
I don't have the experience to refute that claim, but I suspect
it's arrogant nonsense.  I could be wrong, of course.

Even given that assumption, you ignore the possibility that programs
might be intended to be used by non-programmers.  You ignore my own
examples of software I've worked on that can be configured to show all
messages in any of several languages, including Norwegian, presumably
because there's a demand for it.  And you ignore the statements of
someone who lives in Norway and knows what he's talking about.

Consider not making definitive statements about things you don't know
about.

[...]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Medtronic
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#381266

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-30 18:29 +0000
Message-ID<upbf5t$13jss$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381196
On 29/01/2024 21:00, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 29/01/2024 16:18, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 28/01/2024 20:49, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>> On 28/01/2024 18:24, David Brown wrote:
>>>> I'd expect that most general purpose programs written by Norwegians
>>>> use an English interface, even if it isn't really expected that the
>>>> program will find an audience beyond some users in Norway. Except
>>>> of course for programs which in some way are about Norway.
>>> Why?
>>>
>> Generally programmers are educated people and educated people use
>> English for serious purposes. Not always of course and Norway might be
>> an exception. But I'd expect that in a Norweigian university, for
>> example, it would be forbidden to document a program in Norwegian or
>> to use non-English words for identifiers. And probably the same in a
>> large Norwegina company. I might be wrong about that and I have never
>> visited Norway or worked for a Norweigian employer (and obviously I
>> couldn't do so unless the policy I expect was followed).
> 
> You assert that "educated people use English for serious purposes".
> I don't have the experience to refute that claim, but I suspect
> it's arrogant nonsense.  I could be wrong, of course.

Everything which is at all intellectually serious is these days written 
in English. It's the new Latin. It's the language all educated people 
use to communicate with each other when discussing scientific, 
philosophical, or scholarly matters. And also technical matters to a 
large extent.
There are a few exceptions but very few. I remember a discussion about 
whether you could get away with organising a scientific conference in 
French, in France, and the conclusion was that you could not. Even in 
France. However the French are very reluctant to concede, which is why 
the discussion took place at all.

If a large Norwegian company allows programmers to document software in 
Norwegian, then it cannot employ non-Norwegian programmers to work on 
it. So I would imagine that this would be forbidden, But I've never 
actually worked for a Norwegian company and I don't actually know. David 
Brown, to be fair, does work for a Norwegian company so he might know 
better. But he asks "why?" and I gave the reason.

-- 
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#381272

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-30 20:23 +0100
Message-ID<upbiaq$143k9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381266
On 30/01/2024 19:29, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 29/01/2024 21:00, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 29/01/2024 16:18, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 28/01/2024 20:49, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>> On 28/01/2024 18:24, David Brown wrote:
>>>>> I'd expect that most general purpose programs written by Norwegians
>>>>> use an English interface, even if it isn't really expected that the
>>>>> program will find an audience beyond some users in Norway. Except
>>>>> of course for programs which in some way are about Norway.
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>> Generally programmers are educated people and educated people use
>>> English for serious purposes. Not always of course and Norway might be
>>> an exception. But I'd expect that in a Norweigian university, for
>>> example, it would be forbidden to document a program in Norwegian or
>>> to use non-English words for identifiers. And probably the same in a
>>> large Norwegina company. I might be wrong about that and I have never
>>> visited Norway or worked for a Norweigian employer (and obviously I
>>> couldn't do so unless the policy I expect was followed).
>>
>> You assert that "educated people use English for serious purposes".
>> I don't have the experience to refute that claim, but I suspect
>> it's arrogant nonsense.  I could be wrong, of course.
> 
> Everything which is at all intellectually serious is these days written 
> in English. It's the new Latin. It's the language all educated people 
> use to communicate with each other when discussing scientific, 
> philosophical, or scholarly matters. And also technical matters to a 
> large extent.
> There are a few exceptions but very few. I remember a discussion about 
> whether you could get away with organising a scientific conference in 
> French, in France, and the conclusion was that you could not. Even in 
> France. However the French are very reluctant to concede, which is why 
> the discussion took place at all.
> 
> If a large Norwegian company allows programmers to document software in 
> Norwegian, then it cannot employ non-Norwegian programmers to work on 
> it. So I would imagine that this would be forbidden, But I've never 
> actually worked for a Norwegian company and I don't actually know. David 
> Brown, to be fair, does work for a Norwegian company so he might know 
> better. But he asks "why?" and I gave the reason.
> 

So your reasoning is "Scholars use English.  Scholars are serious. 
Therefore, anything serious is scholarly and consequently in English".

You do know that Monty Python's Holy Grail is entertainment, not a 
education in logic?

When you are in such a deep hole, the wise thing would be to stop digging.

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#381279

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-30 12:06 -0800
Message-ID<874jeu60wu.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com>
In reply to#381266
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> On 29/01/2024 21:00, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 29/01/2024 16:18, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 28/01/2024 20:49, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>> On 28/01/2024 18:24, David Brown wrote:
>>>>> I'd expect that most general purpose programs written by Norwegians
>>>>> use an English interface, even if it isn't really expected that the
>>>>> program will find an audience beyond some users in Norway. Except
>>>>> of course for programs which in some way are about Norway.
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>> Generally programmers are educated people and educated people use
>>> English for serious purposes. Not always of course and Norway might be
>>> an exception. But I'd expect that in a Norweigian university, for
>>> example, it would be forbidden to document a program in Norwegian or
>>> to use non-English words for identifiers. And probably the same in a
>>> large Norwegina company. I might be wrong about that and I have never
>>> visited Norway or worked for a Norweigian employer (and obviously I
>>> couldn't do so unless the policy I expect was followed).
>> You assert that "educated people use English for serious purposes".
>> I don't have the experience to refute that claim, but I suspect
>> it's arrogant nonsense.  I could be wrong, of course.
>
> Everything which is at all intellectually serious is these days
> written in English. It's the new Latin. It's the language all educated
> people use to communicate with each other when discussing scientific, 
> philosophical, or scholarly matters. And also technical matters to a
> large extent.

Even if that's true, you assertion was about user interfaces.

Are you under the impression that mobile phones show their messages only
in English because all their users are scholars?

Are you aware of the existence of medical devices (my current $DAYJOB)
that can be configured to display messages in any of a number of
languages?

[...]

> If a large Norwegian company allows programmers to document software
> in Norwegian, then it cannot employ non-Norwegian programmers to work
> on it. So I would imagine that this would be forbidden, But I've never 
> actually worked for a Norwegian company and I don't actually
> know. David Brown, to be fair, does work for a Norwegian company so he
> might know better. But he asks "why?" and I gave the reason.

Correct, you don't actually know.  Why doesn't that prevent you from
making assertions rather than asking questions, so that you can learn
something from people who know more than you do?

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
Working, but not speaking, for Medtronic
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#381287

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-30 21:04 +0000
Message-ID<upbo9p$1573c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381279
On 30/01/2024 20:06, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 29/01/2024 21:00, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 29/01/2024 16:18, David Brown wrote:
>>>>> On 28/01/2024 20:49, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/01/2024 18:24, David Brown wrote:
>>>>>> I'd expect that most general purpose programs written by Norwegians
>>>>>> use an English interface, even if it isn't really expected that the
>>>>>> program will find an audience beyond some users in Norway. Except
>>>>>> of course for programs which in some way are about Norway.
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>> Generally programmers are educated people and educated people use
>>>> English for serious purposes. Not always of course and Norway might be
>>>> an exception. But I'd expect that in a Norweigian university, for
>>>> example, it would be forbidden to document a program in Norwegian or
>>>> to use non-English words for identifiers. And probably the same in a
>>>> large Norwegina company. I might be wrong about that and I have never
>>>> visited Norway or worked for a Norweigian employer (and obviously I
>>>> couldn't do so unless the policy I expect was followed).
>>> You assert that "educated people use English for serious purposes".
>>> I don't have the experience to refute that claim, but I suspect
>>> it's arrogant nonsense.  I could be wrong, of course.
>>
>> Everything which is at all intellectually serious is these days
>> written in English. It's the new Latin. It's the language all educated
>> people use to communicate with each other when discussing scientific,
>> philosophical, or scholarly matters. And also technical matters to a
>> large extent.
> 
> Even if that's true, you assertion was about user interfaces.
> 
> Are you under the impression that mobile phones show their messages only
> in English because all their users are scholars?
> 
Things tend to trickle down.
Teenagers from non-English speaking countries hum along to pop songs in 
English. And whilst programmers aren't usually scholars, if they are C 
programmers they will use a programming language with keywords based on 
English.
And you will likley get quite a bit of English coming through the mobile 
phone.
Linus Torvald's native language is Finnish, for example. But git was 
released in English. There might be Finnish language bindings for it 
now, but I'm pretty sure not in the original version. Similarly Bjarne 
Strousup is Swedish, but C++ uses keywords like "class" and "friend", 
not the Swedish terms.
Now I think that would rub off on Norwegian programmers. It would be 
surprising of it did not.
> Are you aware of the existence of medical devices (my current $DAYJOB)
> that can be configured to display messages in any of a number of
> languages?
> 
Some software is internationalised. But it takes quite a lot of 
resources to translate software. With medical device software the 
software is likely so expensive to develop anyway because of all the 
safety critical portions that the cost is tolerable. Our software has 
purely English user interfaces. It was something we looked at, but it 
would have been expensive and made the code base harder to manange, and 
the users said that the benefit to them was marginal as they spoke 
enough English to understand a few simple GUI labels. I think our 
experience is more typical, but some people will no doubt make out that 
it is narrow and parochial.
 >
> [...]
>  
> Correct, you don't actually know.  Why doesn't that prevent you from
> making assertions rather than asking questions, so that you can learn
> something from people who know more than you do?
> 
I'm a qualified scientist, amongst other things. In science, the things 
that you know are usually either quite basic and covered in the first 
degree, or they are not terribly interesting. What matters is what you 
don't actually know, but believe to be the case, based on sound evidence 
and reasoning. And I believe it to be the case that English is used very 
widely in Norway. And in fact, if David Brown, who is in a position to 
know, asserts this not to be the case, I'd put it down to his 
contentious nature and tend to dismiss it. Now of course I could have 
misled myself. But I doubt it.

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#381305

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-01-31 06:04 +0000
Message-ID<upcntm$1db7v$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381287
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 21:04:56 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> Linus Torvald's native language is Finnish, for example.

No, it would be Swedish. He’s an ethnic Swede, from Finland.

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#381315

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-31 08:59 +0100
Message-ID<upcukq$1e58u$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381305
On 31/01/2024 07:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 21:04:56 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> 
>> Linus Torvald's native language is Finnish, for example.
> 
> No, it would be Swedish. He’s an ethnic Swede, from Finland.

He is Finnish, but has Swedish as his mother tongue (like about 5% of 
Finns).  Speaking Swedish as your main language does not make you 
ethically Swedish.  As a university-educated Finn, brought up in 
Helsinki, he will also speak Finnish quite fluently.

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#381320

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2024-01-31 12:53 +0200
Message-ID<20240131125304.00005f6b@yahoo.com>
In reply to#381315
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:59:22 +0100
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> On 31/01/2024 07:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 21:04:56 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> >   
> >> Linus Torvald's native language is Finnish, for example.  
> > 
> > No, it would be Swedish. He’s an ethnic Swede, from Finland.  
> 
> He is Finnish, but has Swedish as his mother tongue (like about 5% of 
> Finns).  Speaking Swedish as your main language does not make you 
> ethically Swedish.  

Linus has Swedish as his mother tongue. 
Linus has Swedish family name. Or at least Scandinavian, for me it
sounds more Danish than Swedish, but I am not an expert. It certainly
does not sound Finnish.
When Linus was younger, he used to like to tell stereotypical jokes
about Finns.

When it quacks like a duck...

> As a university-educated Finn, brought up in 
> Helsinki, he will also speak Finnish quite fluently.
> 

That's true.

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#381334

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-31 14:21 +0100
Message-ID<updhgk$1h9ie$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381320
On 31/01/2024 11:53, Michael S wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:59:22 +0100
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> 
>> On 31/01/2024 07:04, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 21:04:56 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>    
>>>> Linus Torvald's native language is Finnish, for example.
>>>
>>> No, it would be Swedish. He’s an ethnic Swede, from Finland.
>>
>> He is Finnish, but has Swedish as his mother tongue (like about 5% of
>> Finns).  Speaking Swedish as your main language does not make you
>> ethically Swedish.
> 
> Linus has Swedish as his mother tongue.
> Linus has Swedish family name. Or at least Scandinavian, for me it
> sounds more Danish than Swedish, but I am not an expert. It certainly
> does not sound Finnish.

His name is of Swedish language origin, yes.  I can't answer for 
Torvalds family, but the solid majority of Swedish-speaking Finn 
families have been in Finland for hundreds of years.  I'm not sure what 
the definitions of "ethnically Swedish" or "ethnically Finnish" might 
be, but as a general rule Swedish-speaking Finns consider themselves to 
be Swedish-speaking Finns - not Swedes living in Finland.

> When Linus was younger, he used to like to tell stereotypical jokes
> about Finns.

So do all Finns I have ever met.  They are particularly fond of jokes 
about how absurd the Finnish language can be - whether they are natively 
Swedish speakers or Finnish speakers.  They are all proud of being 
Finnish, including traits that may be viewed as eccentric by other cultures.

> 
> When it quacks like a duck...
> 
>> As a university-educated Finn, brought up in
>> Helsinki, he will also speak Finnish quite fluently.
>>
> 
> That's true.
> 
> 

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#381331

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-01-31 14:02 +0100
Message-ID<updgdr$1h3in$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381287
On 30.01.2024 22:04, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> Linus Torvald's native language is Finnish, for example. But git was
> released in English. There might be Finnish language bindings for it
> now, but I'm pretty sure not in the original version. Similarly Bjarne
> Strousup is Swedish, but C++ uses keywords like "class" and "friend",
> not the Swedish terms.

Okay something had already been said about Linus T.'s ethnicity,
so let me also point out that Bjarne Stroustrup (sp!) is Danish.
(Just for the record.)

Janis

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#381332

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-01-31 14:05 +0100
Message-ID<updgja$1h4ft$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381287
On 30/01/2024 22:04, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On 30/01/2024 20:06, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 29/01/2024 21:00, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> On 29/01/2024 16:18, David Brown wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/01/2024 20:49, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/01/2024 18:24, David Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> I'd expect that most general purpose programs written by Norwegians
>>>>>>> use an English interface, even if it isn't really expected that the
>>>>>>> program will find an audience beyond some users in Norway. Except
>>>>>>> of course for programs which in some way are about Norway.
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Generally programmers are educated people and educated people use
>>>>> English for serious purposes. Not always of course and Norway might be
>>>>> an exception. But I'd expect that in a Norweigian university, for
>>>>> example, it would be forbidden to document a program in Norwegian or
>>>>> to use non-English words for identifiers. And probably the same in a
>>>>> large Norwegina company. I might be wrong about that and I have never
>>>>> visited Norway or worked for a Norweigian employer (and obviously I
>>>>> couldn't do so unless the policy I expect was followed).
>>>> You assert that "educated people use English for serious purposes".
>>>> I don't have the experience to refute that claim, but I suspect
>>>> it's arrogant nonsense.  I could be wrong, of course.
>>>
>>> Everything which is at all intellectually serious is these days
>>> written in English. It's the new Latin. It's the language all educated
>>> people use to communicate with each other when discussing scientific,
>>> philosophical, or scholarly matters. And also technical matters to a
>>> large extent.
>>
>> Even if that's true, you assertion was about user interfaces.
>>
>> Are you under the impression that mobile phones show their messages only
>> in English because all their users are scholars?
>>
> Things tend to trickle down.
> Teenagers from non-English speaking countries hum along to pop songs in 
> English.

And you think that makes them fluent, or be as happy communicating in 
English than in their own language(s) ?

It is certainly true that in many non-English speaking countries, people 
get quite familiar with English, and they do so from a younger age than 
in previous generations.  It is also true that in many non-English 
speaking countries, people /don't/ learn much English unless they are 
involved in a profession that needs it.

A guiding factor here is the size of the population.  In European 
countries with maybe 20-30 million or more, everything important is 
translated or dubbed.  You can watch American movies in your own 
language - they are dubbed.  You can read translated books, or natively 
written books, even for specialised non-fiction books.  You don't need 
to understand any English of significance to have a full professional, 
cultural and social life.

But it is correct that English has become the main language for 
international communication, and is therefore critical for anything that 
involves cross-border communication, or where there are significant 
numbers of foreign workers.  That includes academic work.  Different 
parts of Europe previously used German or Russian for this, and that is 
still found amongst the older generations, but it is changing to English.


I live in Norway, which is a country near the top of any list of English 
fluency.  It is small (in population), so relies on a lot of imported 
culture and information.  Films are subtitled, not dubbed (except for 
films for small kids), and only popular books are translated.  We have a 
very high standard of education, including higher education, a great 
deal of foreign workers in some fields (in my company, perhaps a third 
of employees are not natives), and Norwegians travel extensively.  There 
can be few non-English speaking countries where English is significantly 
more prevalent than Norway.


Yet be in no doubt that the solid majority of Norwegians prefer 
Norwegian for most purposes.

Yes, pretty much any programmer in Norway will be confident in English. 
So will most scholars.  But the huge majority of people in Norway are 
not programmers or scholars.

Most Norwegians will be reasonably good at understanding English - 
written or spoken, as most are exposed to it regularly (though not 
everyone watches American films or plays English-language computer 
games).  A large proportion can speak English well - most of the younger 
generations, and those with higher education.  But many people speak 
little English in their normal life, after their education, and are out 
of practice and under-confident.

And despite their impressive English skills, most /prefer/ Norwegian, 
and are more comfortable in Norwegian.  It does not matter how fluent 
they are in English - if you put some Norwegians together, they will 
talk in Norwegian, because that is the native language here.

You use Norwegian unless there is good reason to do otherwise.


So if I am writing a program aimed at Norwegians, the output will be in 
Norwegian, unless the balance of development effort versus use effort 
makes English the rational choice (since I write English faster and more 
accurately).  I would normally write any user documentation in 
Norwegian.  I would normally write internal or code documentation in 
English - but the issue was about the user-visible language, not the 
programmer's language.  I would definitely use English for the code - 
but again, that was not the issue.

If the program might reasonably be used by non-Norwegian speakers, then 
the choice is between English only, or bilingual.


> And whilst programmers aren't usually scholars, if they are C 
> programmers they will use a programming language with keywords based on 
> English.

The actual programming is almost always in English.  Some Norwegians 
will use Norwegian terms for identifiers, usually ASCII'fied.  I do that 
sometimes when the code uses terms that I know in Norwegian but not in 
English.  Some Norwegians like to comment in Norwegian.  Since a lot of 
companies have at least some non-Norwegian programmers, and larger 
software development projects are often somewhat international, a most 
coding is in English.

But we were not talking about the language programmers use.  We were 
talking about the language output by programs - how /users/ interact 
with the program.


> And you will likley get quite a bit of English coming through the mobile 
> phone.

Not unless you are talking to someone in English.  Do you think mobile 
phone software in Norway is in English?

> Linus Torvald's native language is Finnish, for example. 

It is Swedish.

> But git was 
> released in English.

It was written long after Torvalds (that's how his name is spelt) had 
moved to the USA.  It was written for a highly international community, 
all over the world - a community of programmers who were already working 
on an English-language project.

It is thus utterly irrelevant as an example.

> There might be Finnish language bindings for it 
> now, but I'm pretty sure not in the original version. Similarly Bjarne 
> Strousup is Swedish, but C++ uses keywords like "class" and "friend", 
> not the Swedish terms.

Bjarne Stroustrup (again, you got the spelling wrong) is Danish.  And he 
designed a programming language, for programmers, as an extension for an 
existing English-language programming language.

Are you actively trying to make yourself seem more absurdly ignorant of 
the world outside your doorstep?  If you are going to use famous 
programmers as examples, at least do them the courtesy of getting their 
names and languages right.  It would have been even better if the 
examples had been even remotely relevant.  (I do understand that you 
can't think of any actually relevant examples - you are not familiar 
with any programs written primarily for Norwegians.  How you then think 
you are qualified to pontificate about them is an unfathomable question.)

> Now I think that would rub off on Norwegian programmers. It would be 
> surprising of it did not.
>> Are you aware of the existence of medical devices (my current $DAYJOB)
>> that can be configured to display messages in any of a number of
>> languages?
>>
> Some software is internationalised. But it takes quite a lot of 
> resources to translate software. With medical device software the 
> software is likely so expensive to develop anyway because of all the 
> safety critical portions that the cost is tolerable. 

And now you are trying to tell people who make medical software and 
medical devices about their jobs.

> Our software has 
> purely English user interfaces. It was something we looked at, but it 
> would have been expensive and made the code base harder to manange, and 
> the users said that the benefit to them was marginal as they spoke 
> enough English to understand a few simple GUI labels. I think our 
> experience is more typical, but some people will no doubt make out that 
> it is narrow and parochial.

The fact is that there is no single answer.  The variation in software 
and in requirements is enormous.  Every single project is "narrow and 
parochial".  The rest of us understand that - we know there is no "one 
size fits all".  There is no "typical".

>  >
>> [...]
>>
>> Correct, you don't actually know.  Why doesn't that prevent you from
>> making assertions rather than asking questions, so that you can learn
>> something from people who know more than you do?
>>

That is the really big question here.

> I'm a qualified scientist, amongst other things.

I find that /very/ difficult to believe.  I see very little rational 
thinking, collection of data, consideration of hypotheses, collaboration 
with colleagues, refinement of argument when contradictory data is 
presented, or anything else indicating scientific training or a 
scientific viewpoint.

What I see is wild and unjustified extrapolation from very limited 
experiences, and a flat denial of information that contradicts your 
pre-formed ideas.

> In science, the things 
> that you know are usually either quite basic and covered in the first 
> degree, or they are not terribly interesting.

You could not be more wrong.  What an incredibly sad view you have.

> What matters is what you 
> don't actually know, but believe to be the case, based on sound evidence 
> and reasoning.

Are you mixing up religion and science?  /Belief/ is irrelevant in science.

> And I believe it to be the case that English is used very 
> widely in Norway. And in fact, if David Brown, who is in a position to 
> know, asserts this not to be the case, I'd put it down to his 
> contentious nature and tend to dismiss it. Now of course I could have 
> misled myself. But I doubt it.
> 

No one ever contended that English is used widely in Norway.  That was 
never at issue, and is not closely related to the claims you made.


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#381336

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-01-31 14:35 +0100
Message-ID<updia8$1hdgc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381332
On 31.01.2024 14:05, David Brown wrote:
> 
> But it is correct that English has become the main language for
> international communication, and is therefore critical for anything that
> involves cross-border communication, or where there are significant
> numbers of foreign workers.  That includes academic work.  Different
> parts of Europe previously used German or Russian for this,

Don't forget the importance of French! - The whole postal and
telecommunication sectors were (and probably still are) massively
influenced by France.

(You're always writing so much text, so I'll skip it and avoid
more comments.)

Just two (unrelated) notes concerning statements I've seen
somewhere in the thread (maybe here as well)...

First; the EU publishes in all languages of the member states,
for example. (There's no single lingua franca.)

And the second note; we have to distinguish the language of the
programming language's keywords, the comments in the source
code, and the language(s) used for user-interaction.

I don't know whether there's some native language that use
non-English keywords, but I'd suppose so, since in the past
I've seen some using preprocessors for a "native language"
source code. So while not typical, probably a demand at some
places. (Elsethread I mentioned the German TR440 commands,
but a [primitive] command language, as opposed to, say, the
Unix shell, I don't consider much as a language.)

The comments' languages varies, in my experience. Sometimes
there's coding standards (that demand the native language, or
that demand English), sometimes it's not defined. Myself I'm
reluctant to switch between languages and stay with English.
But there were also other cases with longer descriptions on
a conceptual basis; if you come from a native language's
perspective it can be better to stay with the language of the
specification instead of introducing sources of misunderstanding.

The user interface, finally, is of course as specified, and can
be anything, or even multi-lingual.

Janis

> [...]

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#381445

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-01 11:30 +0100
Message-ID<upfrt1$215au$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381336
On 31/01/2024 14:35, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 31.01.2024 14:05, David Brown wrote:
>>
>> But it is correct that English has become the main language for
>> international communication, and is therefore critical for anything that
>> involves cross-border communication, or where there are significant
>> numbers of foreign workers.  That includes academic work.  Different
>> parts of Europe previously used German or Russian for this,
> 
> Don't forget the importance of French! - The whole postal and
> telecommunication sectors were (and probably still are) massively
> influenced by France.

The French would never let the Anglophiles forget the importance of 
French :-)

> 
> (You're always writing so much text, so I'll skip it and avoid
> more comments.)
> 
> Just two (unrelated) notes concerning statements I've seen
> somewhere in the thread (maybe here as well)...
> 
> First; the EU publishes in all languages of the member states,
> for example. (There's no single lingua franca.)

Weirdly, while Norway is not in the EU but Sweden and Denmark are, they 
publish (for some things at least) in Norwegian but not in Swedish or 
Danish.  The Danes and the Swedes don't like each other's languages, but 
are happy enough with Norwegian so they use that to save a little time 
and money.

> 
> And the second note; we have to distinguish the language of the
> programming language's keywords, the comments in the source
> code, and the language(s) used for user-interaction.
> 

Absolutely.  That is a critical distinction.

> I don't know whether there's some native language that use
> non-English keywords, but I'd suppose so, since in the past
> I've seen some using preprocessors for a "native language"
> source code. So while not typical, probably a demand at some
> places. (Elsethread I mentioned the German TR440 commands,
> but a [primitive] command language, as opposed to, say, the
> Unix shell, I don't consider much as a language.)
> 

Apparently there are a few - including, of course, one in French.  But I 
have not heard of any that are relevant in modern times.

> The comments' languages varies, in my experience. Sometimes
> there's coding standards (that demand the native language, or
> that demand English), sometimes it's not defined. Myself I'm
> reluctant to switch between languages and stay with English.
> But there were also other cases with longer descriptions on
> a conceptual basis; if you come from a native language's
> perspective it can be better to stay with the language of the
> specification instead of introducing sources of misunderstanding.
> 
> The user interface, finally, is of course as specified, and can
> be anything, or even multi-lingual.
> 

That's my experience too.


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#381499

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-01 18:35 +0100
Message-ID<upgkp5$25mvh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381445
On 01.02.2024 11:30, David Brown wrote:
> On 31/01/2024 14:35, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>
>> First; the EU publishes in all languages of the member states,
>> for example. (There's no single lingua franca.)
> 
> Weirdly, while Norway is not in the EU but Sweden and Denmark are, they
> publish (for some things at least) in Norwegian but not in Swedish or
> Danish.  [...]

Hmm.. - in my ears this sounds strange. I've looked it up and found...

"The EU has 24 official languages:

 Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish,
 French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian,
 Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish and
 Swedish."

  [
https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/languages_en ]


Searching for a specific regulation, e.g. the GDPR, there's documents
in these languages:

   BG   ES   CS   DA   DE   ET   EL   EN   FR   GA   HR   IT
   LV   LT   HU   MT   NL   PL   PT   RO   SK   SL   FI   SV


"We aim to provide information on our websites in all 24 EU official
 languages. If content is not available in your chosen EU language,
 more and more websites offer eTranslation, the Commission’s machine
 translation service."

"All content is published in at least English, because research has
 shown that with English we can reach around 90% of visitors to our
 sites in either their preferred foreign language or their native
 language."

  [ https://european-union.europa.eu/languages-our-websites_en ]


It's interesting that they have an extra explanation about English:

"English remains an official EU language, despite the United Kingdom
 having left the EU. It remains an official and working language of the
 EU institutions as long as it is listed as such in Regulation No 1.
 English is also one of Ireland’s and Malta’s official languages."

  [
https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/languages_en ]


Janis

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#381524

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2024-02-01 22:41 +0100
Message-ID<uph35h$2869n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381499
On 01/02/2024 18:35, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 01.02.2024 11:30, David Brown wrote:
>> On 31/01/2024 14:35, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>
>>> First; the EU publishes in all languages of the member states,
>>> for example. (There's no single lingua franca.)
>>
>> Weirdly, while Norway is not in the EU but Sweden and Denmark are, they
>> publish (for some things at least) in Norwegian but not in Swedish or
>> Danish.  [...]
> 
> Hmm.. - in my ears this sounds strange. I've looked it up and found...
> 
> "The EU has 24 official languages:
> 
>   Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish,
>   French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian,
>   Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish and
>   Swedish."

I can't say I have looked this up myself, or particularly care what 
languages are used there.  Maybe it only applied to some documents, or 
used to apply but no longer does.  Maybe some things don't stick rigidly 
to the official languages, or maybe different guidelines are used for 
internal documents.

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#381553

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2024-02-02 01:59 +0100
Message-ID<upheq8$29vfi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381524
On 01.02.2024 22:41, David Brown wrote:
> On 01/02/2024 18:35, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> On 01.02.2024 11:30, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 31/01/2024 14:35, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>>>>
>>>> First; the EU publishes in all languages of the member states,
>>>> for example. (There's no single lingua franca.)
>>>
>>> Weirdly, while Norway is not in the EU but Sweden and Denmark are, they
>>> publish (for some things at least) in Norwegian but not in Swedish or
>>> Danish.  [...]
>>
>> Hmm.. - in my ears this sounds strange. I've looked it up and found...
>>
>> "The EU has 24 official languages:
>>
>>   Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish,
>>   French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian,
>>   Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish and
>>   Swedish."
> 
> I can't say I have looked this up myself, or particularly care what
> languages are used there.  Maybe it only applied to some documents, or
> used to apply but no longer does.  Maybe some things don't stick rigidly
> to the official languages, or maybe different guidelines are used for
> internal documents.

Extremely unlikely. - More likely that you were just misremembering
or the document you have in mind was not an official EU document.

(But if you can dig it up and provide that evidence I'm interested.)

Janis

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#381205

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-01-29 23:55 +0000
Message-ID<up9dt4$lmi3$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381185
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:47:46 +0000, Malcolm McLean wrote:

> ... I don't think
> my use of standard output is all that untypical. It's unacceptable for
> anything released to customers and is used mainly for debugging.

stderr for debugging, typically, not stdout.

If you want a “human-readable” output stream, stderr would more likely fit 
that bill than stdout.

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#381192

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2024-01-29 12:10 -0800
Message-ID<86zfwnc34o.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#381145
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

[...]

> I've never used standard output for binary data.  
> [...] it strikes me as a poor design decision.

How so?

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#381199

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2024-01-29 22:14 +0000
Message-ID<up97vr$l025$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#381192
On 29/01/2024 20:10, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> I've never used standard output for binary data.
>> [...] it strikes me as a poor design decision.
> 
> How so?
 >
Because the output can't be inspected by humans, and because it might 
have unusual effects if passed though systems designed to handle 
human-readable text. For instance in some systems designed to receive 
ASCII text, there is no distinction between the nul byte and "waiting 
for next data byte". Obviously this will cause difficuties if the data 
is binary.
Also many binary formats can't easily be extended, so you can pass one 
image and that's all. Whilst it is possible to devise a text format 
which is similar, in practice text formats usually have enough 
redundancy to be easily extended.

So it's harder to correct errors, more prone to errors, and harder to 
extend.

-- 
Check out Basic Algorithms and my other books:
https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/bgy1mm

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#381200

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2024-01-29 22:24 +0000
Message-ID<LAVtN.273458$Wp_8.144284@fx17.iad>
In reply to#381199
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>On 29/01/2024 20:10, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>>> I've never used standard output for binary data.
>>> [...] it strikes me as a poor design decision.
>> 
>> How so?
> >
>Because the output can't be inspected by humans

Sure it can.   Pipe it to a the appropriate tool.

$ cat /usr/bin/xrn | xxd |head
0000000: 7f45 4c46 0201 0100 0000 0000 0000 0000  .ELF............
0000010: 0200 3e00 0100 0000 ac47 4000 0000 0000  ..>......G@.....
0000020: 4000 0000 0000 0000 08a0 0500 0000 0000  @...............
0000030: 0000 0000 4000 3800 0900 4000 2200 1f00  ....@.8...@."...
0000040: 0600 0000 0500 0000 4000 0000 0000 0000  ........@.......
0000050: 4000 4000 0000 0000 4000 4000 0000 0000  @.@.....@.@.....
0000060: f801 0000 0000 0000 f801 0000 0000 0000  ................
0000070: 0800 0000 0000 0000 0300 0000 0400 0000  ................
0000080: 3802 0000 0000 0000 3802 4000 0000 0000  8.......8.@.....

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