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Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int'

Started bykalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen)
First post2026-04-30 00:39 +0000
Last post2026-05-11 18:23 +0200
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  Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-04-30 00:39 +0000
    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 09:11 +0800
    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-04-29 21:12 -0400
    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-04-29 19:56 -0700
      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 11:30 +0800
    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-04-30 00:56 -0700
    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-30 10:47 +0200
      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 19:35 +0800
        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-04-30 14:04 +0200
          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 12:32 +0800
            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-02 08:57 +0200
            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-02 11:58 +0200
              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 19:59 +0800
                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-02 15:13 +0200
                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 22:32 +0800
                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-02 17:17 +0200
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-02 16:56 -0400
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-03 20:11 -0700
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 14:35 -0700
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-02 22:45 +0100
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 15:02 -0700
                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-02 17:24 +0200
                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-02 10:54 -0700
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 05:19 +0800
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-02 16:50 -0700
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 07:56 +0800
                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-02 14:18 +0100
                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-02 15:52 +0200
                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-02 16:39 +0100
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-02 21:16 +0200
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 01:38 +0100
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 17:52 -0700
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 12:39 +0200
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 14:19 -0700
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 08:41 +0200
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 11:22 +0200
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 13:47 -0700
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-05 02:12 +0200
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-05 15:02 +0000
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-06 04:06 +0200
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 08:47 +0200
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 00:11 -0700
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 00:15 -0700
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-02 16:52 -0700
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-03 08:26 +0300
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 14:24 +0000
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-03 18:53 +0300
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 19:46 +0000
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-03 23:07 +0300
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 21:19 +0000
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 16:02 -0700
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-06 19:43 -0700
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-08 18:47 +0000
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 15:10 -0700
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-09 12:40 +0200
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 20:30 +0000
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-08 21:39 +0000
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 01:09 +0000
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-09 06:25 +0200
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-10 09:14 -0700
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-05-10 16:44 +0000
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 17:27 +0000
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-07 18:02 -0700
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 00:18 +0000
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 11:18 +0100
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 17:39 -0700
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 00:55 +0200
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 16:50 -0700
                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-02 18:53 +0100
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-02 21:20 +0200
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 14:46 -0700
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 01:14 +0200
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 17:02 -0700
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 12:46 +0200
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-02 23:51 +0100
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 01:20 +0200
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 07:43 +0800
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 12:50 +0200
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-03 14:27 -0400
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-03 20:27 -0700
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 00:30 +0000
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 01:55 +0100
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 02:21 +0000
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-03 08:53 +0300
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 11:59 +0100
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 13:27 +0200
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 13:46 +0100
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 15:06 +0200
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 17:39 +0100
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 20:54 +0200
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 21:29 +0100
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 23:11 +0200
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 15:47 -0700
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 23:59 +0100
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 09:28 +0200
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-04 13:22 +0100
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 15:17 -0700
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 14:14 -0700
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 14:21 -0700
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 16:05 -0700
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-04 22:24 +0100
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 16:16 -0700
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-05 00:40 +0100
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 17:24 -0700
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-05 16:58 -0400
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-05-05 00:04 +0000
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 17:34 -0700
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 01:59 -0700
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 14:37 -0700
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-05 15:00 +0000
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 01:04 +0000
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 19:38 -0700
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 09:34 +0200
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 13:40 +0000
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 09:04 +0200
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 00:19 -0700
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-05 17:06 -0400
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 01:57 -0700
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 00:48 +0000
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-05 02:27 +0100
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 13:02 +0000
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-05 14:56 +0100
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-05 15:07 +0000
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 16:34 +0000
                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-05 20:17 +0100
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 21:08 +0000
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-05 23:30 +0100
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 23:06 +0000
                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-06 02:23 +0100
                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-06 12:37 +0000
                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-06 16:09 +0100
                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-06 15:21 +0000
                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-06 18:02 +0100
                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-06 19:35 +0000
                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-06 23:38 +0100
                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 03:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-07 12:10 +0100
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-07 08:32 -0700
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 15:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-07 18:20 +0200
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 20:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-07 23:20 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 14:55 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 17:39 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-08 17:10 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 18:31 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 17:51 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-09 08:48 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 18:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-06-01 15:20 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-02 16:50 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-08 08:32 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-08 11:15 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 16:50 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-08 14:00 +0300
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-08 13:25 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-08 15:51 +0300
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 17:13 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 14:57 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-09 06:35 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 20:13 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-09 23:18 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-10 22:31 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-10 21:49 -0700
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-07 23:05 +0300
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-07 23:11 +0300
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 15:33 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 18:04 +0200
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-07 13:19 -0700
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 15:37 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 15:12 -0700
                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-07 03:42 -0700
                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-07 12:48 +0100
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-07 06:00 -0700
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-07 15:54 +0200
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-07 15:02 +0100
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-07 16:48 -0700
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-07 20:30 -0400
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-07 19:17 +0200
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 20:56 +0000
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-07 15:48 +0200
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-07 15:17 +0100
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-07 17:04 +0200
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-07 17:07 +0100
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-07 19:30 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-08 09:22 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 18:24 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-08 17:08 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 10:25 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-08 17:49 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 11:51 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-08 21:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 20:02 +0200
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-07 08:41 -0700
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-07 20:39 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-07 13:14 -0700
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-07 16:11 -0700
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-05-08 08:18 +0100
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-08 11:33 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-08 12:48 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 09:58 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-08 21:04 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 13:15 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-09 03:02 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-09 12:54 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 15:51 -0700
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-07 19:02 +0200
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-07 20:56 +0200
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 22:08 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-08 09:54 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 02:07 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-08 12:43 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-10 20:31 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-11 08:55 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 17:07 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:32 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 18:56 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-11 22:37 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 14:30 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-12 08:35 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 00:38 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 14:05 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-12 16:32 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 17:27 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-12 15:33 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 16:00 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-12 23:14 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-12 19:48 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-13 12:48 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 05:26 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 15:07 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-17 20:43 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 12:16 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-13 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 14:31 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-13 17:16 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 15:52 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-14 11:43 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 02:59 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-14 01:39 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 03:57 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-14 11:49 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-14 10:57 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-14 10:22 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-14 12:32 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 16:11 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 01:12 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-15 02:30 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-15 02:38 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-18 19:48 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-19 01:12 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-18 19:22 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-19 11:31 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-19 12:21 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-19 14:15 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-19 14:14 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-22 21:58 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-22 23:23 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-23 00:09 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-23 04:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-24 04:37 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-27 17:57 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-19 14:12 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-20 04:20 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-19 19:00 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-19 16:56 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-19 11:31 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-14 08:37 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-14 17:00 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-14 09:44 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-14 18:57 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-31 18:25 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-14 18:51 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-14 19:19 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-14 20:50 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-15 02:52 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 02:07 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-15 03:39 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 19:04 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-15 10:27 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-05-15 12:25 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 16:40 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 01:31 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 17:52 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-15 10:32 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 02:35 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 11:38 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-15 11:35 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 13:05 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-15 13:58 +0200
                                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 14:54 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 15:00 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-15 16:01 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 12:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 12:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 21:39 +0100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 14:14 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-16 00:44 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-16 00:36 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-15 02:46 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 12:34 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 13:36 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 13:10 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-12 16:46 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-12 15:19 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-12 19:02 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 14:33 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 11:44 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 21:22 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 15:57 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-12 19:07 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 18:09 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-12 18:45 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 21:24 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 13:14 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 13:12 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 14:40 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-14 08:13 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 12:41 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-12 18:36 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 14:47 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 18:54 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 22:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 16:15 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-09 02:32 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 01:36 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-10 07:23 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 12:37 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-11 08:06 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 10:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 11:32 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 20:04 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 20:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-09 15:19 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 16:20 +0000
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 09:23 -0700
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-08 19:58 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 10:38 -0700
                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-07 07:46 -0400
                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-08 21:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-08 21:47 +0000
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-08 22:58 +0100
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 16:56 -0700
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-09 07:37 +0200
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-09 17:39 +0000
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-09 00:05 +0000
                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-09 00:37 +0100
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 01:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-09 11:56 +0100
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 15:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-09 17:16 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-09 18:38 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-09 19:20 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 04:15 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-10 11:29 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 03:25 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 12:29 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 12:39 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 14:51 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 16:28 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 04:27 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 15:14 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 15:55 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-10 15:03 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 14:38 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 16:37 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 18:00 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-10 18:53 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 16:38 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-10 14:58 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 16:47 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-10 16:22 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 17:57 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-10 22:46 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 17:03 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 11:53 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-11 18:11 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:05 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 19:24 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 19:04 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 20:52 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 20:04 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-11 22:45 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 13:46 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-10 18:55 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-10 12:53 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-05-10 20:15 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-10 18:52 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-05-10 23:19 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-10 18:37 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-11 09:29 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-11 00:26 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-10 20:36 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-10 18:19 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-11 14:45 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-11 08:10 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-11 15:58 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 18:21 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:46 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 19:34 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 14:23 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-11 23:57 +0300
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-12 20:47 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 11:02 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 15:20 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 03:14 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 03:50 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 13:11 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:25 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 04:07 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 13:35 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-13 13:54 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 11:00 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 11:39 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 15:42 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 03:46 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-14 06:07 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 00:38 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 00:39 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 03:39 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-05-14 07:47 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 09:54 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-14 06:25 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-14 17:49 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 16:33 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-15 03:31 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-15 01:56 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 19:12 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-15 02:20 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-15 13:44 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-31 14:43 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-14 15:26 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:22 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-11 19:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 13:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-09 15:32 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 01:35 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-10 06:19 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 12:52 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 11:49 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 12:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 17:10 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 01:21 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 17:42 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 02:33 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 18:43 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-10 20:30 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-11 15:17 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-11 18:12 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-11 23:48 +0300
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-12 10:42 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-12 07:12 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-12 22:21 +0300
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-12 19:19 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-13 11:17 -0400
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-09 05:50 +0000
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-09 08:39 +0200
                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-09 13:10 +0100
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-09 18:04 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-10 14:49 +0000
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-10 00:25 +0200
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 00:16 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-10 06:39 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 13:22 +0100
                                                                                      Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 13:05 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-12 02:28 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 18:37 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-12 22:32 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 15:28 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 02:49 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-12 15:35 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 03:26 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-13 12:32 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 14:42 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 12:28 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 04:30 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 19:58 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 09:40 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-14 12:03 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 16:51 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 14:57 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 12:35 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 20:18 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-13 21:46 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 15:45 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-14 10:53 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 16:59 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-15 15:45 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-15 20:17 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 12:47 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-15 13:15 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-15 22:16 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 21:52 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 04:48 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-14 12:08 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-14 05:15 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-15 03:51 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-13 15:12 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-14 04:56 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-14 15:19 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-14 09:55 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-14 17:32 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 16:33 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Adam Sampson <ats@offog.org> - 2026-05-15 11:55 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-15 11:27 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-15 12:43 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-12 23:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-13 02:53 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-13 14:15 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 12:30 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 20:20 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 02:40 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Alternatives to C (was Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int') Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-12 15:11 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-10 15:18 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 01:17 +0100
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-09 15:47 -0700
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 23:33 +0000
                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 00:45 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-09 17:33 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-10 03:46 +0300
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-09 17:54 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-10 15:46 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-10 13:21 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 02:26 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-09 19:01 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 12:06 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 16:11 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 00:58 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 17:31 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-11 01:44 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 03:09 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 12:15 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 15:19 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-11 19:06 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 21:29 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-19 10:12 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-19 10:40 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-11 18:32 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 03:44 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-11 20:53 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-12 14:27 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 11:37 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 20:28 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 02:18 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 19:48 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 12:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:12 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 19:30 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:34 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 19:42 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 21:21 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-11 07:43 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 13:57 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-11 09:46 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-10 07:09 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-10 07:00 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-10 12:44 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 16:45 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-11 07:58 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 13:55 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-10 14:34 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-10 15:42 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-10 13:23 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 21:28 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 12:53 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 13:54 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 16:48 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-05-11 18:26 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:20 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 19:38 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 11:58 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 18:44 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-11 19:28 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 19:41 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 14:16 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 23:05 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 16:13 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 21:03 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-11 20:08 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-11 15:25 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-11 17:03 +0100
                                                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-09 21:25 -0400
                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-09 07:31 +0200
                                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-06 21:45 -0700
                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-07 09:30 +0200
                                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-07 03:44 -0700
                                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-07 18:03 +0200
                                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 14:45 +0000
                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-05-05 22:27 +0200
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 16:09 -0700
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-05 16:52 -0400
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 19:26 +0000
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-03 20:33 -0700
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 15:05 -0700
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-04 15:09 -0400
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 14:58 -0700
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-04 00:34 +0100
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 17:07 -0700
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-04 01:23 +0000
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-04 14:38 +0100
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 17:41 +0200
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-05 02:59 +0200
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 19:35 -0700
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-05 14:54 +0200
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 16:03 +0200
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-06 05:18 +0200
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-05 09:53 -0700
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-06 05:22 +0200
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 07:40 -0700
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 09:41 +0200
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-05 00:44 +0000
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-05-04 05:47 +0200
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 08:59 +0200
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-04 14:31 +0000
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 14:40 -0700
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 14:42 -0700
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 10:00 +0200
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 10:07 +0200
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-04 15:05 -0400
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-04 21:04 +0100
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-04 20:52 +0000
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-04 21:56 +0100
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 01:12 +0000
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 10:16 +0200
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-05 11:11 +0200
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 11:25 +0200
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-05-05 11:12 +0100
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 14:12 +0200
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-05 16:43 -0400
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-05 11:41 +0100
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 14:31 +0200
                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-05 14:26 +0100
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 16:36 +0200
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-05 17:21 +0100
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 19:19 +0200
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 15:25 -0700
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-06 09:03 +0200
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 16:00 -0700
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-06 09:20 +0200
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 15:21 -0700
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-06 12:20 +0200
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 03:36 -0700
                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-06 12:49 +0200
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-06 12:00 +0100
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-06 14:34 +0200
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 12:23 -0700
                                                            [meta] Optimizing posting and communication (was: something about UB) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-06 22:15 +0200
                                                              Re: [meta] Optimizing posting and communication (was: something about UB) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-06 22:42 +0000
                                                                Re: [meta] Optimizing posting and communication Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 17:01 -0700
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-06 12:32 +0100
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-06 14:52 +0200
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 13:27 +0000
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 16:45 +0200
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 16:22 -0700
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 01:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-06 21:41 -0700
                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 18:26 +0000
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 15:41 -0700
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-06 23:22 -0700
                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 19:06 +0000
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 13:22 -0700
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-05-08 13:27 -0700
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-12 22:31 -0700
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 15:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-13 11:59 -0700
                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 20:45 +0000
                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 15:28 -0700
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-13 15:33 -0700
                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-13 23:56 +0000
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-07 10:33 +0200
                                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-07 18:08 -0400
                                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 16:13 +0000
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-08 16:42 +0000
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-05-08 16:57 +0000
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-08 17:51 -0400
                                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 23:03 +0000
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-05-08 17:01 +0000
                                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-09 08:37 -0700
                                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-09 22:15 +0000
                                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-09 16:24 -0700
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-05 06:41 -0700
                                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 18:06 +0000
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-05 16:26 -0700
                                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-05-08 15:33 -0700
                                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-08 23:34 +0000
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 15:05 -0700
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-04 18:54 -0400
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 16:21 -0700
                                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-05 16:48 -0400
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-05 00:39 +0000
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-05 03:23 +0200
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 18:03 +0100
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-03 20:24 +0300
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 19:15 +0100
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-03 20:59 +0200
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 20:38 +0100
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 09:07 +0200
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 10:23 +0200
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-04 10:45 +0300
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-05-03 20:54 +0000
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 23:27 +0100
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 09:18 +0200
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 09:03 +0200
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 01:07 -0700
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 10:37 +0200
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 02:37 -0700
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 13:44 +0200
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 10:58 +0200
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 11:34 +0200
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 12:12 +0200
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 13:46 +0200
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-04 02:42 -0700
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 12:17 +0200
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 13:52 +0200
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-05-04 14:32 -0400
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 09:48 +0200
                              Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 11:12 +0200
                                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 11:39 +0200
                                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 12:08 +0200
                                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-04 14:00 +0200
                                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-04 23:54 +0200
                                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-05-05 10:22 +0200
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' dave_thompson_2@comcast.net - 2026-06-06 17:49 -0400
                  Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 14:57 -0700
                    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-05-03 00:14 +0100
                      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 16:55 -0700
                        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 08:04 +0800
                          Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-02 17:16 -0700
                            Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 08:29 +0800
                Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-02 16:51 +0200
    Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 18:27 +0200
      Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-05-10 16:58 +0000
        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-05-10 17:04 -0700
        Re: Safety of casting from 'long' to 'int' Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2026-05-11 18:23 +0200

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#398610

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-05-09 16:24 -0700
Message-ID<10tofmh$3vl63$5@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#398602
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
> In article <86ik8wsifm.fsf@linuxsc.com>,
> Tim Rentsch  <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
[...]
>>There is different wording in C99, and
>>that newer wording is not a change but a clarification of the
>>earlier wording in C89.
>
> You need to go read n2464.

That's <https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2464.pdf>,
a 4-page PDF, title "Zero-size Reallocations are Undefined Behavior".

[...]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#398370

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2026-05-05 06:41 -0700
Message-ID<86pl3avuqw.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#398334
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:

> [...] Or, something _can_ become UB that was not
> initially;  a program who took care to avoid UB in the ANSI C
> sense might find their program suddenly stops working because a
> thing they did became UB in a later revision of the standard
> (e.g., `realloc(0, ...)` becoming UB in C23).

Do you have another example?  In my view the change related to
realloc(0,...) is more a basis for condemning the decisions of
people on the C23 committee than it is a basis for condemning
the concept of undefined behavior.

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#398383

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-05-05 18:06 +0000
Message-ID<10tdbju$5uj$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#398370
In article <86pl3avuqw.fsf@linuxsc.com>,
Tim Rentsch  <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>
>> [...] Or, something _can_ become UB that was not
>> initially;  a program who took care to avoid UB in the ANSI C
>> sense might find their program suddenly stops working because a
>> thing they did became UB in a later revision of the standard
>> (e.g., `realloc(0, ...)` becoming UB in C23).
>
>Do you have another example?  In my view the change related to
>realloc(0,...) is more a basis for condemning the decisions of
>people on the C23 committee than it is a basis for condemning
>the concept of undefined behavior.

One that has not already been beaten to death?

If I sat down and really thought about it, I could probably come
up with something.  But I'm not sure that it's worth my time to
do so, or that it would be worth anyone else's time to read what
I come up with.  The same arguments are made over and over again
with no one really gaining new understanding, let alone
producing better software as a result.

I have been commenting here mostly because Bart is wrong in
substance and intent, and that deserves rebuttal.  Moreover, it
is also apparent that he is immune to correction, and incapable
of nuance or deeper understanding.  However, that does not mean
he is entirely without a point: other languages do just fine
defining things that C does not.  UB is not some magic thing
that makes C uniquely special and well-suited for the things it
is used for; if anything, UB is a bit of an embarassment.

The argument _for_ UB now is that it let's compilers optimize
C and make the resulting object code faster.  Ok, but one could
also image a language taking a different approach, where it
defines semantics that can be aggressively optimized.  That
language would not be C, however.

The issue with C23 and `realloc` was unfortunate, and the
committee admitted to that.  But it also came from real world
experience and, in part because of how C is defined and used, in
the end they felt that they had no choice but to go in the
direction that they did.  Perhaps that says something about the
pressures they experience due to external forces, or about the
overall standards process and the constraints it imposes, and
less about the concept of "Undefined Behavior."  But I don't
think it says anything about the people, their abilities, or for
that matter their decisions.

It is notable that newer languages have sought to constrain the
prevelance of UB in their designs.  Some users of C look down on
that, asserting that people who desire a better-defined language
are simply lazy; inferior programmers who would be better off in
a less intellectually demanding field.  That none of this would
be an issue if they just wrote better code.  I think that
attitude is noxious: more than 50 years of experience with C
across the industry has shown that those claims do not hold up
to serious scrutiny.

	- Dan C.

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#398402

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-05-05 16:26 -0700
Message-ID<10tduaq$pms4$4@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#398383
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
> In article <86pl3avuqw.fsf@linuxsc.com>,
> Tim Rentsch  <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
>>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>>
>>> [...] Or, something _can_ become UB that was not
>>> initially;  a program who took care to avoid UB in the ANSI C
>>> sense might find their program suddenly stops working because a
>>> thing they did became UB in a later revision of the standard
>>> (e.g., `realloc(0, ...)` becoming UB in C23).
>>
>>Do you have another example?  In my view the change related to
>>realloc(0,...) is more a basis for condemning the decisions of
>>people on the C23 committee than it is a basis for condemning
>>the concept of undefined behavior.
>
> One that has not already been beaten to death?

Or even one that has been beaten to death.  As I said elsethread,
I cannot (off the top of my head) think of anything other than
realloc() whose behavior became undefined in any new edition of
the C standard.

If realloc is the only such case, then I suggest it's not a huge
problem (unless you're using realloc, of course), and not worth
condemning the whole language.

[...]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#398545

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2026-05-08 15:33 -0700
Message-ID<868q9ttttg.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#398383
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:

> In article <86pl3avuqw.fsf@linuxsc.com>,
> Tim Rentsch  <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
>
>> cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>>
>>> [...] Or, something _can_ become UB that was not
>>> initially;  a program who took care to avoid UB in the ANSI C
>>> sense might find their program suddenly stops working because a
>>> thing they did became UB in a later revision of the standard
>>> (e.g., `realloc(0, ...)` becoming UB in C23).
>>
>> Do you have another example?  In my view the change related to
>> realloc(0,...) is more a basis for condemning the decisions of
>> people on the C23 committee than it is a basis for condemning
>> the concept of undefined behavior.
>
> One that has not already been beaten to death?
>
> If I sat down and really thought about it, I could probably come
> up with something.  But I'm not sure that it's worth my time to
> do so, or that it would be worth anyone else's time to read what
> I come up with.  The same arguments are made over and over again
> with no one really gaining new understanding, let alone
> producing better software as a result.
>
> [... more along those lines ...]

My question is not about whether undefined behavior is good or
bad.  My question is only if you can point to a construct (other
than the realloc() case as noted about) that is defined behavior
in one version of the C standard, and is undefined behavior in a
later version of the C standard.  The question is only about
different editions of the C standard;  K&R isn't definite enough
about defined-versus-undefined behavior to say (and K&R 2 is
supposed to be the same as the C89/C90 standard).

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#398555

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-05-08 23:34 +0000
Message-ID<10tlrte$bp0$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#398545
In article <868q9ttttg.fsf@linuxsc.com>,
Tim Rentsch  <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
>cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>
>> In article <86pl3avuqw.fsf@linuxsc.com>,
>> Tim Rentsch  <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) writes:
>>>
>>>> [...] Or, something _can_ become UB that was not
>>>> initially;  a program who took care to avoid UB in the ANSI C
>>>> sense might find their program suddenly stops working because a
>>>> thing they did became UB in a later revision of the standard
>>>> (e.g., `realloc(0, ...)` becoming UB in C23).
>>>
>>> Do you have another example?  In my view the change related to
>>> realloc(0,...) is more a basis for condemning the decisions of
>>> people on the C23 committee than it is a basis for condemning
>>> the concept of undefined behavior.
>>
>> One that has not already been beaten to death?
>>
>> If I sat down and really thought about it, I could probably come
>> up with something.  But I'm not sure that it's worth my time to
>> do so, or that it would be worth anyone else's time to read what
>> I come up with.  The same arguments are made over and over again
>> with no one really gaining new understanding, let alone
>> producing better software as a result.
>>
>> [... more along those lines ...]
>
>My question is not about whether undefined behavior is good or
>bad.  My question is only if you can point to a construct (other
>than the realloc() case as noted about) that is defined behavior
>in one version of the C standard, and is undefined behavior in a
>later version of the C standard.

I understand.  I wasn't referring to whether UB is good or bad,
either.  I was talking about the utility of using my time to
find an example of behavior (beyond `realloc`) of something that
went from explicitly well-defined (or IB, or unspecified, etc)
in some version of the C standard to UB in a later version.
Though bluntly a single instance ought to be enough to show that
it _can_ happen.

What I was attempting to express was that I'm not sure it's
worth my taking the time to do that.  I don't mean to be
unpleasant about it, and if it were a discussion over lunch or
something?  Sure.  But posting here; what would be the end
result?

I suspect no one would learn anything new or find it terribly
useful.  It would probably lead to a round of arguing about
whether it was actually UB, with different interpretations being
posted, with predictably variable levels of quality.  I suspect
there would be some amount of ambiguity pointed out in the
standard.

The best case outcome, for me, would be finding that I was
technically wrong in my assessment, that something I thought had
changed was actually always UB, and perhaps I would learn
something.  But it's an awful lot of work, and back and forth,
for what is ultimately not a lot of gain.

What is the goal, and is it worth the energy I would invest?

>The question is only about
>different editions of the C standard;  K&R isn't definite enough
>about defined-versus-undefined behavior to say (and K&R 2 is
>supposed to be the same as the C89/C90 standard).

Note that this moves the goalposts more than a little bit vis my
original statement, which was a response to something Scott said
about (as I interpreted it) finding fault with the original
programmer who produced a UB-bearing program.

I took exception to that because, as I said, that there is code
that is in production, that was written with care and attention
and a solid understanding of C _as it existed at the time that
code was written_, and that now exhibits UB because it _either_
predated the C standard, _or_ made use of something that changed
(e.g., `realloc`) in the standard.  I simply feel one should not
cast aspertions onto the programmer in such cases; they could
not have foreseen the future.  Simply fix the program, if it is
reasonable to do so, but don't seek to "blame" them for being
"wrong," because they were not wrong at the time and judging
them (not the program, but the person) relative to a later
standard is unreasonable.  I stand by that.

Whether `realloc` is the only such example of something that has
changed between standards (and I'm not sure about `longjmp` from
a non-nested signal handler, as I mentioned elsewhere...emphasis
on the _not sure_ part FWIW) is immaterial, and cannot be
hand-waved away as "well, that was only one time...".  The fact
is that it did happen, the commitee obviously showed itself
willing to do it, and there is absolutely nothing saying that it
could not happen again.  I think my `mul` example, or something
very like it, similarly.

	- Dan C.

(For the record, I don't blame the committee, either; I think
they were in a tough spot.  But just as we must acknowledge the
reality of UB, we must similarly acknowledge the reality of this
situation.)

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#398319

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-05-04 15:05 -0700
Message-ID<10tb580$3visp$2@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#398309
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
[...]
> (1) If overflowing A*B is the only UB encountered in a 1MLoC/10MB
> program, can it make the entire program crash, one that may have been
> running for days, even when the wrong value at that point is
> unimportant?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by asking questions
to which you obviously know the answer.  So let's start with this.

An important program has been running for 3 days.  It evaluates
A*B, where A and B are both of type int and the mathematical
product exceeds INT_MAX.  The value of the result is unimportant.
Does the ISO C standard permit an implementation to generate code
that causes the program to terminate on the attempt to perform
that multiplication?  (We can stipulate that it's not *required*
to crash.)

Does the C standard have requirements that depend on how long a
program has been running, on how important the program is, or on
the unimportance of a particular result?

I'd like to see *your* answer to my questions, based on the ISO C
standard (not on the way any particular implementation happens to
behave).  There's no point in discussing undefined behavior with you
if you can't demonstrate that you understand what's being discussed.

> (I would consider a compiler that deliberately did that to be
> malicious, if all that really happens is some dropped high-order
> bits.)

Malicious behavior is not forbidden by the C standard (how could
it be?), but I'm reasonably confident that no actual implementation
behaves maliciously in response to undefined behavior.  If you know
of a counterexample, please share it.  gcc does have options that
cause signed overflow to trap (terminating the program); that's
not malicious, since you have to ask for it.  The DS9K is mythical.

It's true that undefined behavior can result in arbitrarily bad
things happening.  Nasal demons are clearly not a real possibility,
but if a program could deliberately format your hard drive, then
a program with undefined behavior could do so unintentionally.

I'm aware that you *don't like* the fact that signed overflow has
undefined behavior.  That's not what I'm asking about.

[SNIP]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#398320

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2026-05-04 18:54 -0400
Message-ID<10tb83p$1ad4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398309
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
...
>(1) If overflowing A*B is the only UB encountered in a 1MLoC/10MB 
>program, can it make the entire program crash, one that may have been 
>running for days, even when the wrong value at that point is unimportant?

The standard says that when the behavior is undefined, it imposes no
restrictions on what the behavior of the entire program might be. If it
prohibited such a crash, that would be a restriction. So, yes, that is
permitted. What do you find hard to understand about that? I can
understand why you might disapprove, but what is there about the phrase
"no restrictions" that makes you think "there must be restrictions"?

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#398323

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-05-04 16:21 -0700
Message-ID<10tb9ll$14hf$3@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#398320
James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> ...
>>(1) If overflowing A*B is the only UB encountered in a 1MLoC/10MB 
>>program, can it make the entire program crash, one that may have been 
>>running for days, even when the wrong value at that point is unimportant?
>
> The standard says that when the behavior is undefined, it imposes no
> restrictions on what the behavior of the entire program might be. If it
> prohibited such a crash, that would be a restriction. So, yes, that is
> permitted. What do you find hard to understand about that? I can
> understand why you might disapprove, but what is there about the phrase
> "no restrictions" that makes you think "there must be restrictions"?

Sorry [*] to be pedantic, but the standard uses the word
"requirements", not "restrictions".  I think "requirements" is a
bit clearer, saying that the standard neither requires nor forbids
any behavior.

[*] Not really sorry.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#398389

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2026-05-05 16:48 -0400
Message-ID<10tdl2h$n2vj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398323
On 2026-05-04 19:21, Keith Thompson wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> ...
>>> (1) If overflowing A*B is the only UB encountered in a 1MLoC/10MB 
>>> program, can it make the entire program crash, one that may have been 
>>> running for days, even when the wrong value at that point is unimportant?
>>
>> The standard says that when the behavior is undefined, it imposes no
>> restrictions on what the behavior of the entire program might be. If it
>> prohibited such a crash, that would be a restriction. So, yes, that is
>> permitted. What do you find hard to understand about that? I can
>> understand why you might disapprove, but what is there about the phrase
>> "no restrictions" that makes you think "there must be restrictions"?
> 
> Sorry [*] to be pedantic, but the standard uses the word
> "requirements", not "restrictions".  I think "requirements" is a
> bit clearer, saying that the standard neither requires nor forbids
> any behavior.

My bad. Sorry. You don't need to be sorry when correcting a fellow pedant.

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#398329

Fromantispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Date2026-05-05 00:39 +0000
Message-ID<10tbe7u$3s3l7$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#398309
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 04/05/2026 20:05, James Kuyper wrote:
>> On 5/4/26 01:34, Bart wrote:
>> 
>>> So, doing a * b is UB when it overflows, and that is very important
>>> because bad things can happen. But nobody can tell me what.
>> 
>> That's because it's undefined behavior. If someone could tell you what
>> would happen, it would be defined behavior. For instance, the C standard
>> could impose defined behavior for integer division by 0. It could
>> mandate that such a division must result in the computer halting and
>> catching fire. That would not be undefined behavior. This could even be
>> useful, if for any reason you actually want to set fire to the computer.
>> Unfortunately, that would make the C standard unimplementable on most
>> platforms.
>> 
>> When the behavior is undefined, the C standard imposes no restrictions
>> on what behavior is permitted. Therefore, if there is anything,
>> absolutely anything, that your computer could be instructed to do, and
>> that you don't want it to do - the standard permits a conforming
>> implementation to generate code that would make it do that. It could
>> also generate code to do something else entirely.
>> If you are quite certain that the implementation won't take advantage of
>> that fact, you're fine. However, I'm not sure how you could justify such
>> certainty.
>> If that uncertainty doesn't bother you, go ahead!
> 
> (1) If overflowing A*B is the only UB encountered in a 1MLoC/10MB 
> program, can it make the entire program crash, one that may have been 
> running for days, even when the wrong value at that point is unimportant?
> 
> (I would consider a compiler that deliberately did that to be malicious, 
> if all that really happens is some dropped high-order bits.)

If that instruction is unimportant, then by definition of "unimportant"
nothing bad happens.  However, if you only think that it is
unimportant, you may be surprised.

Real life example what can happen is given by Arianne 5.  It was
coded in Ada, but the same could happen in C.  Arianne 5 reused
parts of code from Arianne 4.  One part of code was something
called like "reference navigational module" (search the net if
you want correct name and more details).  This module was only
needed before take-off, after take-off results were not needed.
But it was left running some time after take-off.  You may
think it was unimportant.  But during first trip there was
overflow in this module.  Designers of Arianne 4 have proved
that overflow is impossible, so error handler simply assumed
that overflow means hardware failure.  There are some discrepancies
in report what exactly happened after that, but the result
was shut down of flight control computer.  There were two
flight control computers, both had almost simultaneusly shut
down.  After that remaining control triggered self-destruction
of the rocket.

> (2) Does that overflowing A*B need to be executed first, or can the 
> program go wrong any time prior, if the compiler knows that it will be 
> UB when it is executed?

In short yes.  Search for "time travel" in group archives.

> For example, when these constants have i32 type:
> 
>   2*3;
>   2*4;
>   2*2000000000;
>   2*6;
> 
> Will it only go wrong at that third line, or even earlier?
> 
> (After all, if 99% of the runtime would otherwise be yet to come, then 
> why not tear down the whole thing. Although in that case, why not just 
> refuse to compile.)

There were disscusion here with prominent voices saying that
compiler is not allowed to refuse to create executable.

> (3) Does (2) apply even if that overflowing A*B is never in fact 
> executed (eg. unreachable)?

No.  IIRC you where already told this in this thread.

> (4) Suppose that overflowing A*B is conditional, so depends on 
> prevailing values of A and B when encountered, will an implementation 
> really go to the trouble (assuming -ftrapv has not been used) of 
> generating checking code to ensure it can do all the nasty things that 
> people go on about.
> 
> (5) Take this example:
> 
>     b = a * 2 / 2;
> 
> Apparently UB can be used to reduce that to 'b = a', as overflow is 
> assumed to not happen.
> 
> But if overflow is assumed to not happen, what happens when it does, or 
> should? For example when 'a' has the value 2000000000 at runtime.
> 
> Because you say the computer could catch fire, but with that 
> optimisation place, the multiplication and therefore the overflow is elided.

There was a joke about Pentium based toster oven, where the chip
gemerated heat needed for toasting.  Of course, if multiplicaton
is elided, that may reduce heat output causing incorrect
operation.
 
> (6) Would it be simpler round if this particular UB did not exist?
> 
> What would be the actual consequences other than minor optimisation 
> opportunities being lost? After those opportunities only work when no 
> overflow occurs, and in that case, there is nothing to worry about.

You do not get main point: normal math is well worked out and
as long as computer implements normal math we can have resonably 
high confidence in correctness of results.  It would be simpler
if arithmetic trapped, because ensuring absence of overflow
can be quite tricky (notwithstanding what some other posters wrote).
But most hardware vendors do not offer really cheap way to detect
overflow.  Of course, fact that old C did not have good way to
dectect overflow added to the problem.  Anyway, you may call costs
minor, but the result is that major programming languages do not
check for overflow.

You wrote that you prefer wrap-around.  Do you realize that
most of the time wrap-around is wrong, and that cases when
it can be used could be described as "minor optimisation
opportunities"?

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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#398335

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-05-05 03:23 +0200
Message-ID<10tbgr6$1gsnu$13@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398329
On 2026-05-05 02:39, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> [...]
> 
> Real life example what can happen is given by Arianne 5.  It was
> coded in Ada, but the same could happen in C.  Arianne 5 reused
> parts of code from Arianne 4.  One part of code was something
> called like "reference navigational module" (search the net if
> you want correct name and more details).  This module was only
> needed before take-off, after take-off results were not needed.
> But it was left running some time after take-off.  You may
> think it was unimportant.  But during first trip there was
> overflow in this module.  Designers of Arianne 4 have proved
> that overflow is impossible, so error handler simply assumed
> that overflow means hardware failure.  There are some discrepancies
> in report what exactly happened after that, but the result
> was shut down of flight control computer.  There were two
> flight control computers, both had almost simultaneusly shut
> down.  After that remaining control triggered self-destruction
> of the rocket.

The Ariane 5 post-mortem report is a very interesting document
worth to be carefully studied! Computing engineers and managers
can learn a lot from it. It exceeds the shortened summary above
to yet more areas (like reusing older Ariane 4 specifications -
the base for reusing code - and missing that flight-trajectories
have changed in Ariane 5), and more. It's a lesson in what can
go wrong even if "all things (presumedly) considered". - Highly
recommended to read.

An excellent Real World example; well chosen!

Janis

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#398235

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-05-03 18:03 +0100
Message-ID<10t7v4l$30eqg$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398217
On 03/05/2026 03:21, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> As I wrote, it is natural and common to leave overflow undefined.
> But in rare cases wraparund (modulo behaviour) may be desirable.
> C decided to offer both, in such case choosing wraparound for
> unsigned type is a bit more natural than the oppositve (that
> is undefined behaviour for unsigned types and wraparound for
> signed types).  I would also guess that signed types offer more
> optimization possibilities.  Arguably better language design
> would make overflow undefined both for signed and unsigned
> types, but introduce separate modulo types.  But decisions
> were made many years ago and C is unlikely to change here.
> 


How would you avoid UB here:

     int a, b, c;

     a = readint("A:");
     b = readint("B:");

     c = a * b;

     printf("%d * %d is %d\n", a, b, c);


You don't know the values of a and b until runtime.

This is not about getting correct results on overflow, or even detecting 
them. More, how would you avoid UB happening when evaluating 'a * b'?

What would typically happen if there was UB anyway?

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#398236

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2026-05-03 20:24 +0300
Message-ID<20260503202425.00006dd9@yahoo.com>
In reply to#398235
On Sun, 3 May 2026 18:03:17 +0100
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 03/05/2026 03:21, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
> > Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:  
> 
> > As I wrote, it is natural and common to leave overflow undefined.
> > But in rare cases wraparund (modulo behaviour) may be desirable.
> > C decided to offer both, in such case choosing wraparound for
> > unsigned type is a bit more natural than the oppositve (that
> > is undefined behaviour for unsigned types and wraparound for
> > signed types).  I would also guess that signed types offer more
> > optimization possibilities.  Arguably better language design
> > would make overflow undefined both for signed and unsigned
> > types, but introduce separate modulo types.  But decisions
> > were made many years ago and C is unlikely to change here.
> >   
> 
> 
> How would you avoid UB here:
> 
>      int a, b, c;
> 
>      a = readint("A:");
>      b = readint("B:");
> 
>      c = a * b;
> 
>      printf("%d * %d is %d\n", a, b, c);
> 
> 
> You don't know the values of a and b until runtime.
> 
> This is not about getting correct results on overflow, or even
> detecting them. More, how would you avoid UB happening when
> evaluating 'a * b'?
> 

Your case is very easy.
Just cast everything to unsigned and you turned your UB into impldef.


> What would typically happen if there was UB anyway?
> 
> 

In practice? With compiler that you actually can encounter?
Of course, two-complement wraparound.
But everybody knows that you knew the answer and the question was
rhetorical.


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#398237

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-05-03 19:15 +0100
Message-ID<10t83bu$33a9j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398236
On 03/05/2026 18:24, Michael S wrote:
> On Sun, 3 May 2026 18:03:17 +0100
> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 03/05/2026 03:21, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As I wrote, it is natural and common to leave overflow undefined.
>>> But in rare cases wraparund (modulo behaviour) may be desirable.
>>> C decided to offer both, in such case choosing wraparound for
>>> unsigned type is a bit more natural than the oppositve (that
>>> is undefined behaviour for unsigned types and wraparound for
>>> signed types).  I would also guess that signed types offer more
>>> optimization possibilities.  Arguably better language design
>>> would make overflow undefined both for signed and unsigned
>>> types, but introduce separate modulo types.  But decisions
>>> were made many years ago and C is unlikely to change here.
>>>    
>>
>>
>> How would you avoid UB here:
>>
>>       int a, b, c;
>>
>>       a = readint("A:");
>>       b = readint("B:");
>>
>>       c = a * b;
>>
>>       printf("%d * %d is %d\n", a, b, c);
>>
>>
>> You don't know the values of a and b until runtime.
>>
>> This is not about getting correct results on overflow, or even
>> detecting them. More, how would you avoid UB happening when
>> evaluating 'a * b'?
>>
> 
> Your case is very easy.
> Just cast everything to unsigned and you turned your UB into impldef.

So arithmetic ops between signed types are not fit for purpose when 
in-range results cannot be guaranteed.

> 
> 
>> What would typically happen if there was UB anyway?
>>
>>
> 
> In practice? With compiler that you actually can encounter?
> Of course, two-complement wraparound.
> But everybody knows that you knew the answer and the question was
> rhetorical.

/I/ know the answer like everyone else, but most here like to pretend 
they don't. As soon as UB is mentioned, then end of discussion.

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#398240

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-05-03 20:59 +0200
Message-ID<10t85ul$348o1$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398237
On 03/05/2026 20:15, Bart wrote:
> On 03/05/2026 18:24, Michael S wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 May 2026 18:03:17 +0100
>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/05/2026 03:21, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I wrote, it is natural and common to leave overflow undefined.
>>>> But in rare cases wraparund (modulo behaviour) may be desirable.
>>>> C decided to offer both, in such case choosing wraparound for
>>>> unsigned type is a bit more natural than the oppositve (that
>>>> is undefined behaviour for unsigned types and wraparound for
>>>> signed types).  I would also guess that signed types offer more
>>>> optimization possibilities.  Arguably better language design
>>>> would make overflow undefined both for signed and unsigned
>>>> types, but introduce separate modulo types.  But decisions
>>>> were made many years ago and C is unlikely to change here.
>>>
>>>
>>> How would you avoid UB here:
>>>
>>>       int a, b, c;
>>>
>>>       a = readint("A:");
>>>       b = readint("B:");
>>>
>>>       c = a * b;
>>>
>>>       printf("%d * %d is %d\n", a, b, c);
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't know the values of a and b until runtime.
>>>
>>> This is not about getting correct results on overflow, or even
>>> detecting them. More, how would you avoid UB happening when
>>> evaluating 'a * b'?
>>>
>>
>> Your case is very easy.
>> Just cast everything to unsigned and you turned your UB into impldef.
> 
> So arithmetic ops between signed types are not fit for purpose when in- 
> range results cannot be guaranteed.
> 

No arithmetic operations, or any other kinds of operation, are fit for 
any purpose if you can't be sure the operands are in appropriate range.

Have you got a fruit bowl at home?  Can it hold any number of apples? 
Say, 200 apples?  Does that make it useless as a fruit bowl?  Does that 
mean it is a good idea for you to make specific definitions about what 
would happen if someone tried to put 200 apples in the bowl, rather than 
just leaving it as "undefined behaviour" ?

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#398242

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-05-03 20:38 +0100
Message-ID<10t8886$34p33$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398240
On 03/05/2026 19:59, David Brown wrote:
> On 03/05/2026 20:15, Bart wrote:
>> On 03/05/2026 18:24, Michael S wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 May 2026 18:03:17 +0100
>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/05/2026 03:21, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I wrote, it is natural and common to leave overflow undefined.
>>>>> But in rare cases wraparund (modulo behaviour) may be desirable.
>>>>> C decided to offer both, in such case choosing wraparound for
>>>>> unsigned type is a bit more natural than the oppositve (that
>>>>> is undefined behaviour for unsigned types and wraparound for
>>>>> signed types).  I would also guess that signed types offer more
>>>>> optimization possibilities.  Arguably better language design
>>>>> would make overflow undefined both for signed and unsigned
>>>>> types, but introduce separate modulo types.  But decisions
>>>>> were made many years ago and C is unlikely to change here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How would you avoid UB here:
>>>>
>>>>       int a, b, c;
>>>>
>>>>       a = readint("A:");
>>>>       b = readint("B:");
>>>>
>>>>       c = a * b;
>>>>
>>>>       printf("%d * %d is %d\n", a, b, c);
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You don't know the values of a and b until runtime.
>>>>
>>>> This is not about getting correct results on overflow, or even
>>>> detecting them. More, how would you avoid UB happening when
>>>> evaluating 'a * b'?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your case is very easy.
>>> Just cast everything to unsigned and you turned your UB into impldef.
>>
>> So arithmetic ops between signed types are not fit for purpose when 
>> in- range results cannot be guaranteed.
>>
> 
> No arithmetic operations, or any other kinds of operation, are fit for 
> any purpose if you can't be sure the operands are in appropriate range.

In that case, what is the point of the suggestion to cast operands and 
result to and from unsigned?


> Have you got a fruit bowl at home?  Can it hold any number of apples? 
> Say, 200 apples?  Does that make it useless as a fruit bowl?  Does that 
> mean it is a good idea for you to make specific definitions about what 
> would happen if someone tried to put 200 apples in the bowl, rather than 
> just leaving it as "undefined behaviour" ?

This is a good analogy. If you add the contents of one bowl to another, 
then the behaviour is saturation when the limit is reached, rather than 
wrapping.

Neither kind is useful if you want to know the mathematical total, but 
at least the behaviour is well-defined. (You might need a more abstract 
concept of bowl and fruit.)

If this was C however, it would state that it was UB. Which means you 
can't be sure exactly what will happen. /Probably/ it will saturate, but 
in can also depend on external factors plus a specific set of inputs 
that you provide.

If send the same bowls to someone else, you can't predict what will 
happen because it depends on /their/ factors and what /they/ will do.

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#398277

FromJanis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
Date2026-05-04 09:07 +0200
Message-ID<10t9gjb$1gsnu$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398242
On 2026-05-03 21:38, Bart wrote:
> On 03/05/2026 19:59, David Brown wrote:
>>
>> No arithmetic operations, or any other kinds of operation, are fit for 
>> any purpose if you can't be sure the operands are in appropriate range.
> 
> In that case, what is the point of the suggestion to cast operands and 
> result to and from unsigned?

I read it as an answer (with a proposal) for a wrong question you asked.

Janis

> [...]

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#398284

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-05-04 10:23 +0200
Message-ID<10t9l24$3gjfm$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#398242
On 03/05/2026 21:38, Bart wrote:
> On 03/05/2026 19:59, David Brown wrote:
>> On 03/05/2026 20:15, Bart wrote:
>>> On 03/05/2026 18:24, Michael S wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 3 May 2026 18:03:17 +0100
>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/05/2026 03:21, Waldek Hebisch wrote:
>>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As I wrote, it is natural and common to leave overflow undefined.
>>>>>> But in rare cases wraparund (modulo behaviour) may be desirable.
>>>>>> C decided to offer both, in such case choosing wraparound for
>>>>>> unsigned type is a bit more natural than the oppositve (that
>>>>>> is undefined behaviour for unsigned types and wraparound for
>>>>>> signed types).  I would also guess that signed types offer more
>>>>>> optimization possibilities.  Arguably better language design
>>>>>> would make overflow undefined both for signed and unsigned
>>>>>> types, but introduce separate modulo types.  But decisions
>>>>>> were made many years ago and C is unlikely to change here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How would you avoid UB here:
>>>>>
>>>>>       int a, b, c;
>>>>>
>>>>>       a = readint("A:");
>>>>>       b = readint("B:");
>>>>>
>>>>>       c = a * b;
>>>>>
>>>>>       printf("%d * %d is %d\n", a, b, c);
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't know the values of a and b until runtime.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not about getting correct results on overflow, or even
>>>>> detecting them. More, how would you avoid UB happening when
>>>>> evaluating 'a * b'?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your case is very easy.
>>>> Just cast everything to unsigned and you turned your UB into impldef.
>>>
>>> So arithmetic ops between signed types are not fit for purpose when 
>>> in- range results cannot be guaranteed.
>>>
>>
>> No arithmetic operations, or any other kinds of operation, are fit for 
>> any purpose if you can't be sure the operands are in appropriate range.
> 
> In that case, what is the point of the suggestion to cast operands and 
> result to and from unsigned?

Note that it was not me that made that suggestion.  I dislike 
speculating on the intentions of others, but the obvious reason why 
someone would suggest using unsigned types here is that it ensures that 
everything has defined behaviour even if the signed integer arithmetic 
would overflow, and (assuming likely choices for the IB parts) it will 
give the same results when the signed version would not have overflowed.

Personally, I would not have given that as a suggested resolution.  I'd 
have started by asking what the code is actually supposed to do, what 
ranges you want to handle for the inputs, and what you want to do if bad 
data is given from outside the program.  I might also ask if you have 
specific targets in mind - if your targets have 32-bit "int", then an 
obvious solution is to use "long long int" to avoid overflow.

> 
> 
>> Have you got a fruit bowl at home?  Can it hold any number of apples? 
>> Say, 200 apples?  Does that make it useless as a fruit bowl?  Does 
>> that mean it is a good idea for you to make specific definitions about 
>> what would happen if someone tried to put 200 apples in the bowl, 
>> rather than just leaving it as "undefined behaviour" ?
> 
> This is a good analogy. If you add the contents of one bowl to another, 
> then the behaviour is saturation when the limit is reached, rather than 
> wrapping.

If I say "put these 200 apples in the bowl, then count them", the 
response is not 20 (or however many can fit in the bowl).  The response 
would likely be "I can't do that", not a number.  It might also be to 
call you an idiot, or to eat 180 of the apples so that the rest fit, or 
to go out and buy a bigger bowl.  It is basically undefined behaviour.


If I had said "put as many of these apples as you can in the bowl, and 
count them", then saturation is the appropriate model.


> 
> Neither kind is useful if you want to know the mathematical total, but 
> at least the behaviour is well-defined. (You might need a more abstract 
> concept of bowl and fruit.)
> 
> If this was C however, it would state that it was UB. Which means you 
> can't be sure exactly what will happen. /Probably/ it will saturate, but 
> in can also depend on external factors plus a specific set of inputs 
> that you provide.
> 
> If send the same bowls to someone else, you can't predict what will 
> happen because it depends on /their/ factors and what /they/ will do.
> 

Oh!  I see a glimmer of understanding!  It's just a spark, but maybe it 
can be fanned into you finally appreciating what "undefined behaviour" 
means.  It means you can't predict what will happen - in any given case, 
it will depend on all sorts of other factors.




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#398280

FromMichael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Date2026-05-04 10:45 +0300
Message-ID<20260504104544.000003aa@yahoo.com>
In reply to#398237
On Sun, 3 May 2026 19:15:26 +0100
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 03/05/2026 18:24, Michael S wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 May 2026 18:03:17 +0100
> > Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 03/05/2026 03:21, Waldek Hebisch wrote:  
> >>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:  
> >>  
> >>> As I wrote, it is natural and common to leave overflow undefined.
> >>> But in rare cases wraparund (modulo behaviour) may be desirable.
> >>> C decided to offer both, in such case choosing wraparound for
> >>> unsigned type is a bit more natural than the oppositve (that
> >>> is undefined behaviour for unsigned types and wraparound for
> >>> signed types).  I would also guess that signed types offer more
> >>> optimization possibilities.  Arguably better language design
> >>> would make overflow undefined both for signed and unsigned
> >>> types, but introduce separate modulo types.  But decisions
> >>> were made many years ago and C is unlikely to change here.
> >>>      
> >>
> >>
> >> How would you avoid UB here:
> >>
> >>       int a, b, c;
> >>
> >>       a = readint("A:");
> >>       b = readint("B:");
> >>
> >>       c = a * b;
> >>
> >>       printf("%d * %d is %d\n", a, b, c);
> >>
> >>
> >> You don't know the values of a and b until runtime.
> >>
> >> This is not about getting correct results on overflow, or even
> >> detecting them. More, how would you avoid UB happening when
> >> evaluating 'a * b'?
> >>  
> > 
> > Your case is very easy.
> > Just cast everything to unsigned and you turned your UB into
> > impldef.  
> 
> So arithmetic ops between signed types are not fit for purpose when 
> in-range results cannot be guaranteed.
>

[Totally O.T.]

As far as results of computation are concerned, with exception of
division, on two-complement machines there is no difference between
signed and unsigned non-widening arithmetic ops.
That's especially applicable to C language, because [for int or wider] C
language defines arithmetic in terms of non-widening operations.

[/Totally O.T.]

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