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On 1/02/2026 6:16 am, Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester wrote:
> In sci.electronics.design Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
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> |">> A use of "learned" instead of "learnt" is a regional misuse.|
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> |> A language is defined by what people say. [. . .]"            |
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> 
> Dear Doctor Sloman,
> 
> Thanks for informing me about Steenkolenengels.
> 
> I want to quote an old comp.compilers post by its moderator about how
> FORTRAN programmers are not bothered to consult the FORTRAN standard
> (circa FORTRAN-66) so they insist that they know FORTRAN when they do
> not, so a new FORTRAN standard (circa FORTRAN-77) made a
> backwards-incompatible change to accept this wrong belief of what
> FORTRAN really is. Alas searching for it takes too long (the 3 search
> options offered by
> HTTPS://compilers.IECC.com
> and the search option offered by
> HTTPS://groups.Google.com/g/comp.compilers
> are inconsistent and FTP.IECC.com is not still available).
> 
> Many years ago I downloaded a file by a student claiming that
> centuries ago English peasants invented "gelded" because they do not
> know "gelt". I failed to find it for this post, so instead I
> downloaded files about children who perform overregularisation.
> 
> "Old English had
> many more irregular verbs than Modern English[. . .]
> [. . .]
> [. . .] Most of the grammatical structure of English develops rapidly
> in the third year of life (31). One conspicuous development is the
> appearance of overregularizations like comed. Such errors [. . .]"
> says
> Steven Pinker, "Rules of Language", "Science", Volume 253, 530, 1991.
> 
> "However, children also face a problem: if they generalise the
> patterns too far, they’ll say something ungrammatical. If you’ve ever
> heard a young child talking, it’s likely you’ll have heard them say
> things like We goed to the park or I sitted down. In these examples,
> the child has ‘overgeneralised’ the regular –ed ending pattern for
> making the past tense in English."
> says
> HTTPS://news.Liverpool.ac.UK/2014/06/30/becoming-an-expert-amy-bidgood-on-helping-children-learn-what-not-to-say/?
> 
> "This paper is concerned with the formation of past tense in child
> English. Commissive errors within the realm of English past tense
> marking are also known under
> the terms overregularization errors (Kuczaj, 1977, 1978; Stemberger,
> 1982; Marcus
> et al., 1992; Maratsos, 2000), doubling errors (Hattori, 2003) or
> overtensing errors
> (Stemberger, 2007). Overregularization occurs when an irregular verb’s
> stem is suffixed with the regular past tense marker -ed. The stem can
> either take the form that
> also appears in present tense, as shown in (6a), or it can appear in
> the portmanteau
> past tense form, which is often a suppletive or ab-/umlauted stem, as
> shown in (6b).
> In the latter case, as in the causative domain, a feature, here past
> tense, is marked
> twice, once by the stem allomorph and once by -ed, thereby
> constituting a case of
> multiple exponence.
> (6) Overregularization errors
> a. I eated my breakfast.
> b. I ated my breakfast."
> says
> Johannes Hein, Imke Driemel, Fabienne Martin, Yining Nie, Artemis
> Alexiadou, "Errors of multiple exponence in child English: a study of
> past tense formation", "Morphology", 2024.
> 
> A new rule is made by breaking an old rule. Breaking an old rule does
> not make a new rule right.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

For a linguist, the rule is what people do. When entire populations 
chose to a use the more regular mode of tense formation, that's language 
evolution, rather than misuse.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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