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Re: Excel and accountants, good post on LinkedIn

From Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded, sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: Excel and accountants, good post on LinkedIn
Date 2026-02-01 02:13 +0000
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In sci.electronics.design John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
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|"[. . .] In my                                                               |
|experience, any Excel spreadsheet large enough to be interesting has bugs.   |
|                                                                             |
|Back in the 1980s I worked on a financial modeling package called Javelin.   |
|You could use it for a lot of the financial stuff people do in spreadsheets  |
|(Lotus 1-2-3 at the time.) The models were a lot more structured and it      |
|was far easier to audit them and check that they did what you expected.      |
|                                                                             |
|Users didn't care, they loved their spreadsheets.  Best quote: "It's up to my|
|boss to check if my speadsheets are right.""                                 |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Oh dear, another example of ineptness triumphing over technical
goodness.

I repeatedly complain to an R user which is an Excel user via
quotations like so: "languages like PHP and Mathematica are still
heedless to variable misspellings; [. . .] reversing bad design
decisions, is often impossible once there is a community of users. The
shortcomings of Perl, PHP, CSS, JavaScript, etc, are going to persist
[. . .] JavaScript, Perl, PHP, Excel [. . .] having little type
safety" says
Harold Thimbleby, "Heedless programming: ignoring detectable error is
a widespread hazard", "Software: Practice and Experience"
and
"R crashes" says
HTTPS://CRAN.R-Project.org/doc/FAQ/R-FAQ.html#Lexical-scoping
"missing or incorrect code in R" says
HTTPS://CRAN.R-Project.org/doc/FAQ/R-FAQ.html#Others
"errors later in the code" says
HTTPS://CRAN.R-Project.org/doc/FAQ/R-FAQ.html#Why-do-my-matrices-lose-dimensions_003f
"About 148,000,000 results" says
HTTPS://RSeek.org
concerning crash
"I find that my R session crashes very often, at random times for
random reasons" says
HTTPS://StackOverFlow.com/questions/35318760/how-to-recover-rstudio-session-after-crash
"Session is abruptly aborted as soon as a data.frame is defined with
no error code being printed, except of course; "R encountered a fatal
error. The session was terminated"." says
HTTPS://community.RStudio.com/t/rstudio-crashes-when-defining-data-frame-in-version-2023-09-1-or-newer/179120
(S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)

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good post on LinkedIn Niocláisín Cóilín de Ghlostéir <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> - 2025-02-22 21:12 +0100
  Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <Spamassassin@irrt.De> - 2025-08-29 16:16 +0200
    Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-01 18:52 +0100
      Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-02 01:40 +0000
        Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-29 14:26 +0000
          Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 09:04 -0800
            Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-29 17:57 +0000
              Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 10:59 -0800
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-30 00:48 +0000
                Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-29 17:01 -0800
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-30 01:28 +0000
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 15:14 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-30 11:52 -0800
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 16:05 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 12:34 +0000
                Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-31 07:29 -0800
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-01 20:59 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-01 03:06 -0800
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-02 00:17 +1100
                Re: Excel and accountants, good post on LinkedIn John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-31 23:21 +0000
                Re: Excel and accountants, good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-31 16:22 -0800
                Re: Excel and accountants, good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-02-01 02:13 +0000
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 03:56 +0000
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 15:23 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 14:36 +0000
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-01 21:31 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-30 14:59 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-01-30 10:15 +0000
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-01-31 00:06 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-01-30 15:06 +0100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-30 11:55 -0800
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 13:33 +0000
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-01 01:31 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 19:16 +0000
                Re: history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-01-31 23:10 +0000
                Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 23:25 +0000
                Re: Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-01 02:43 +0000
                Re: Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn OrangeFish <OrangeFish@invalid.invalid> - 2026-02-01 18:00 -0500
                Re: Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-02-18 14:56 +0000
                Re: Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-18 20:32 +0000
                Re: Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-02-18 23:20 +0000
                Re: old new postings Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2026-02-19 02:46 +0000
                Re: old new postings Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-02-19 11:33 +0000
                Re: Sorry re history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2026-02-19 22:28 -0500
                Re: history of Fortran, good post on LinkedIn albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-02-01 22:11 +0100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-01 21:36 +1100
                Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 14:26 +0000
            Re: good post on LinkedIn wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> - 2026-01-30 11:27 -0800
              Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-30 18:54 -0800
          Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 03:40 +0000
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              Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-01-31 17:13 +0000
            Re: good post on LinkedIn john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-01-31 07:55 -0800
            Re: good post on LinkedIn Nioclás Pól Caileán de Ghloucester <thanks-to@Taf.com> - 2026-02-16 13:52 +0000

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