Re: Subaru XV indicators

From	keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
Newsgroups	aus.cars, aus.computers, aus.comms
Subject	Re: Subaru XV indicators
Date	2016-07-10 19:24 +1000
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On 7/10/2016 4:11 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> aus.comms keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 7/8/2016 11:48 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>> On 8/07/2016 9:10 PM, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/8/2016 7:02 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/07/2016 6:24 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>> On 07-July-2016 7:40 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/07/2016 4:16 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 06-July-2016 2:23 AM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can barely use an Android phone without a Google account.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or  win 10 without a something account.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Well, that was sort-of the case in 8.1 as well, if you weren't
>>>>>>>>>>> smart
>>>>>>>>>>> enough to read the fineprint.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    I have 8.1 without a Microsoft Account, 'upgraded' to 10 without
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> and rolled back to 8.1 without one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Using an Android Device without a Google Account is much harder,
>>>>>>>>>>> unless you don't need any paid apps and are prepared to re-install
>>>>>>>>>>> apps
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of updating them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a laptop with 8.1 and a tablet with win 10 and android 5.1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> doesn't your phone auto update the OS?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It shouldn't. My iPhones, past and present, have never done that by
>>>>>>>> default and there's a reason the default is set that way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sorry, I didn't mean automatically update the OS. they normally tell you
>>>>>>> there's an update available that you can do. however, with some phones
>>>>>>> you can't update the OS beyond the one in the phone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why I have an iPhone. You might be referring to Android based
>>>>>> phones. Certainly this is not the case with Apple iOS since my previous
>>>>>> phone was updated right to the latest iOS and, I'm sure, it will be
>>>>>> possible to update it to the next few iOS releases too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, my 3 year old iPad has been updated to the latest iOS. Ditto for my
>>>>>> 2008 vintage MacPro though, it must be said, it uses OSX, not iOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>> As does my Nexus Android phone, it gets any OS updates (it has gone from
>>>>> 4.4 to 5.0 to 6.0 to 6.1) and monthly security updates, not to mention
>>>>> updates to applications straight from google.
>>>>
>>>> Then I fail to see what the issue is. An Android phone I had in the past
>>>> didn't update (upgrade?) to the latest version, just did updates to the
>>>> original version but that was a while ago. Things seem to have changed
>>>> since then if your Nexus does OS upgrades as well as updates.
>>>
>>>   'Nexus' is Google's alternative to Apple's iPhone/iPad. I.e. it is
>>> *also* proprietary and *also* a walled-garden (and *also* expensive and
>>> *also* limited (in both range and functionality)).
>>
>> It is no more "Propriety" than any other Android phone, there is no
>> "Walled garden", it's just the same as any other Android, it cost half
>> what an iPhone or a top end Samsung would have done. Get your facts
>> straight Frank, and BTW, in what way is it limited in range and
>> function, in the 3 years that I've owned it, I've found neither.
>
>   I *do* get my facts straight. That you bought a Nexus is perfectly
> fine, one-size-fits-all doesn't exist. And Nexus getting Android updates
> from Google is a *good* thing. (As I wrote, the not-so-good/braindead
> thing is that users of other brands do *not* get Android updates from
> Google). So there's no need to get your knickers in a twist.
>
>   As to the facts:
>
>   It's the only brand for which Google provides the end-user support.
> It's a walled garden because you can get it only from Google.

Huh? Its a walled garden because of where you can get it from? That's a 
new definition of walled garden, anyway you can buy it from any of many 
sources, J b HiFi for instance, or off eBay where I got my wife's one from.

> It's expensive compared to similar (Android) offerings from other vendors.

Not really compare to other similar models (I am talking of the Nexus 5 
or 5x not the 6)

> It's limited in range, because it has only a few models and nothing at
> the low end.

That could be said of most suppliers, only a few like Samsung cover the 
whole range and and when comparing particular models that is irrelevant 
anyway.

> It's limited in functionality by having no memory expansion capability.

Its got 32 gigs of memory, more than enough for most people, mine has 
hundreds of tunes and photos, and dozens of apps on it and not even half 
the memory is used.

>   If the price point(s) and functionality suit *you*, then good on you.
> For others it may/will be different.

For the price point, it cost approximately half the cost of similar 
phones from other suppliers. If you want to buy something cheaper then 
thats your choice, and you will have to accept that you will either get 
updates late or not at all.

>>>   Imagine how silly it would be if Microsoft would only support - as
>>> in providing updates and upgrades - Windows on *Microsoft* devices! Did
>>> your brain already explode? Fast forward to Android and you have the
>>> same situation of Google only supporting Android on *its* (Google's)
>>> 'Nexus' devices.
>>>
>>>   Moral: No, Android support *doesn't* suck, it doesn't *exist*!
>>
>> Bullshit!
>
>   And exactly *why* is it "bullshit"!? What I wrote are the *facts*,
> whether you/I/anyone like(s) them or not.

Google supply support to all, it's the manufacturers and telcos that are 
the problem, not passing on updates in a timely manner, thats why, if 
you want good support, you buy a Google phone. Thems the facts.

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