Re: Subaru XV indicators

From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups	aus.cars, aus.computers, aus.comms
Subject	Re: Subaru XV indicators
Date	2016-07-09 18:11 +0000
Message-ID	<duct39Fl3knU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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aus.comms keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 7/8/2016 11:48 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> On 8/07/2016 9:10 PM, keithr0 wrote:
> >>> On 7/8/2016 7:02 PM, Xeno wrote:
> >>>> On 8/07/2016 6:24 PM, felix wrote:
> >>>>> On 07-July-2016 7:40 PM, Xeno wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/07/2016 4:16 PM, felix wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 06-July-2016 2:23 AM, F Murtz wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> felix wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>>> you can barely use an Android phone without a Google account.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Or  win 10 without a something account.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>    Well, that was sort-of the case in 8.1 as well, if you weren't
> >>>>>>>>> smart
> >>>>>>>>> enough to read the fineprint.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>    I have 8.1 without a Microsoft Account, 'upgraded' to 10 without
> >>>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>>> and rolled back to 8.1 without one.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>    Using an Android Device without a Google Account is much harder,
> >>>>>>>>> unless you don't need any paid apps and are prepared to re-install
> >>>>>>>>> apps
> >>>>>>>>> instead of updating them.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have a laptop with 8.1 and a tablet with win 10 and android 5.1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> doesn't your phone auto update the OS?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It shouldn't. My iPhones, past and present, have never done that by
> >>>>>> default and there's a reason the default is set that way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> sorry, I didn't mean automatically update the OS. they normally tell you
> >>>>> there's an update available that you can do. however, with some phones
> >>>>> you can't update the OS beyond the one in the phone
> >>>>>
> >>>> That's why I have an iPhone. You might be referring to Android based
> >>>> phones. Certainly this is not the case with Apple iOS since my previous
> >>>> phone was updated right to the latest iOS and, I'm sure, it will be
> >>>> possible to update it to the next few iOS releases too!
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, my 3 year old iPad has been updated to the latest iOS. Ditto for my
> >>>> 2008 vintage MacPro though, it must be said, it uses OSX, not iOS.
> >>>>
> >>> As does my Nexus Android phone, it gets any OS updates (it has gone from
> >>> 4.4 to 5.0 to 6.0 to 6.1) and monthly security updates, not to mention
> >>> updates to applications straight from google.
> >>
> >> Then I fail to see what the issue is. An Android phone I had in the past
> >> didn't update (upgrade?) to the latest version, just did updates to the
> >> original version but that was a while ago. Things seem to have changed
> >> since then if your Nexus does OS upgrades as well as updates.
> >
> >   'Nexus' is Google's alternative to Apple's iPhone/iPad. I.e. it is
> > *also* proprietary and *also* a walled-garden (and *also* expensive and
> > *also* limited (in both range and functionality)).
> 
> It is no more "Propriety" than any other Android phone, there is no 
> "Walled garden", it's just the same as any other Android, it cost half 
> what an iPhone or a top end Samsung would have done. Get your facts 
> straight Frank, and BTW, in what way is it limited in range and 
> function, in the 3 years that I've owned it, I've found neither.

  I *do* get my facts straight. That you bought a Nexus is perfectly
fine, one-size-fits-all doesn't exist. And Nexus getting Android updates
from Google is a *good* thing. (As I wrote, the not-so-good/braindead
thing is that users of other brands do *not* get Android updates from
Google). So there's no need to get your knickers in a twist.

  As to the facts:

  It's the only brand for which Google provides the end-user support.
It's a walled garden because you can get it only from Google. It's
expensive compared to similar (Android) offerings from other vendors.
It's limited in range, because it has only a few models and nothing at
the low end. It's limited in functionality by having no memory
expansion capability.

  If the price point(s) and functionality suit *you*, then good on you.
For others it may/will be different.

> >   Imagine how silly it would be if Microsoft would only support - as
> > in providing updates and upgrades - Windows on *Microsoft* devices! Did
> > your brain already explode? Fast forward to Android and you have the
> > same situation of Google only supporting Android on *its* (Google's)
> > 'Nexus' devices.
> >
> >   Moral: No, Android support *doesn't* suck, it doesn't *exist*!
> 
> Bullshit!

  And exactly *why* is it "bullshit"!? What I wrote are the *facts*,
whether you/I/anyone like(s) them or not.

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