Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2

From	"3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.mobile.ipad, aus.computers
Subject	Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2
Date	2016-04-22 08:14 +1000
Message-ID	<dnt1lnFbj0vU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References	(10 earlier) <slrnnh87mg.26dg.g.kreme@amelia.local> <dnqpm2Fog4kU1@mid.individual.net> <slrnnhhlr9.301t.g.kreme@amelia.local> <dnsmijF8p9iU1@mid.individual.net> <slrnnhijeg.301t.g.kreme@amelia.local>

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"Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message 
news:slrnnhijeg.301t.g.kreme@amelia.local...
> In message <dnsmijF8p9iU1@mid.individual.net>
>  3899jk <3899jk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It isn't a stolen ipad,
>
> Apple doesn't know that.

Apple can trivially know that and they do too.

>> and Apple is required by that to fix the problem with a forgotten
>> password when 9.3 stupidly demanded the Apple ID that was used to
>> setup that ipad initially, and none of the previous versions of iOS
>> had done that.
>
> No, they are not.

Yes they are.
http://accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

>> And you are lying thru your teeth when you claim that Don has
>> provided no proof at all that it is his ipad. And Apple can trivially
>> check that the problem is theirs by checking that it was used at
>> the same ip address all this time, so can't be a stolen ipad.
>
> Bullshit.

Fact.

> Don provided a receipt for an iPad with NO SERIAL number.

He later provided a receipt with the serial number included
and it is completely trivial for Apple to check that that is a
genuine receipt by asking the seller if it matches their records.

> Apple does not track location history,

But do keep a record of what ip was used which does just that.

> so they would have no way of looking up that data.

Wrong.

>> And Apple can check with the operation that Don bought it from
>> that that their records show that he did buy that ipad from them
>> and that neither of the invoices are fakes.
>
> No, since there is no link from the iPad and the receipt.

That is a bare faced lie with the later receipt.

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  Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-04-14 07:35 +0000
    Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-14 07:53 +0000
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                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-21 12:02 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 05:11 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-21 21:26 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:27 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-26 15:41 -0400
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                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-20 11:37 -0400
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                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-17 19:42 -0400
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-04-18 11:35 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 11:58 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 11:50 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 15:37 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-04-15 12:48 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 12:55 -0400
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                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-17 21:04 -0400
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                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 08:12 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-17 23:36 +0000
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                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 11:45 +1000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-04-21 13:33 +0000
                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 05:04 +1000
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                Re: Apple have stolen my ipad Part 2 "3899jk" <3899jk@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:14 +1000
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