Re: win10 ugrdade

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.politics, aus.tv
Subject	Re: win10 ugrdade
Date	2016-02-08 10:39 +1100
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"hereford" <takecarebeware@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:n97u5t$1k0$2@dont-email.me...
> On 7/02/2016 1:38 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>
>> "hereford" <takecarebeware@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:n964j8$icj$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 5/02/2016 3:33 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "hereford" <takecarebeware@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:n8virr$2hs$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 3/02/2016 7:28 PM, Your_newsgroup_devil Ördög wrote:
>>>>>> Trevor:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/02/2016 5:36 PM, noel wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:50:17 +1100, Trevor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/02/2016 10:56 PM, noel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:37:08 +1100, Trevor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/02/2016 9:18 PM, noel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:03:08 +1100, Trevor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF I was only web browsing like many people these days, I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use Linux too. It's not for everyone though!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> listen windroid, linux is far more tha n web browser email and
>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking office, I do everything on it, i've not found one
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing I
>>>>>>>>>>>> need to do or run that needs winshit..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good for you. So what? I use it, but does FAR from everything 
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> me!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so, throw your list of this FAR number of things for us all to
>>>>>>>>>> see,
>>>>>>>>>> or risk bering fucked off in the troll bin...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You really think I care what you do? Go for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I suspected, you're all mouth Trevor and nothing more than a
>>>>>>>> windroid troll
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I suspected, you are nothing but an asshole who likes to make
>>>>>>> ad-hominem attacks on others just because they don't play your 
>>>>>>> games.
>>>>>>> Why on earth would I waste my time proving to you what you will 
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> believe anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and we all know what to do with trolls...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, I simply block them, but you apparently haven't done that
>>>>>>> despite
>>>>>>> your claim! Easy to see who is the real troll here!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trevor, we know that you aren't a troll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I also observed that when you were asked to name your Win only
>>>>>> *irreplaceable* applications you have sidestepped the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, we both know that for private users the most compelling
>>>>>> reasons to
>>>>>> remain within the Windows Universe are those super computer games
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> won't run on any other platform properly.
>>>>>> So since you won't list your productivity applications I must assume
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> you are a gamer. That is nothing to be ashamed of. I fully appreciate
>>>>>> your stance. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone somewhere mentioned keeping XP going to run their music
>>>>> software.
>>>>> I know that there is Creative software that works in XP but not in
>>>>> later Windows.
>>>>> I can't help thinking that something was discarded with XP for a
>>>>> leaner OS.
>>>>> Now Creative hardware for laptops is largely these cheap looking USB
>>>>> connected things.
>>>>
>>>>> What happened to eSata, Firewire, PCMCIA, Express Cards?
>>>>
>>>> Nothing, that stuff still works fine.
>>>>
>>>>> Is everything supposed to work from the cloud now?
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> But do these connections come with new computers now?
>>
>> The connections that matter, ethernet and USB, certainly do.
>>
>>> I know they will probably work if the hardware is there.
>>
>> No probably about it.
>>
>>> It seems that hardware has changed.
>>
>> It always does. Nothing to do with any cloud.
>>
>>> Walking through JB, the only cards accepted are SD cards, and no sight
>>> of eSata, I gather USB 3.0 is supposed to replace it.
>>
>> Yes, and it is a lot more convenient to use.
>>
>>> And firewire apparently is proprietary.
>>
>> Never did get used much on Win, at most
>> a few cameras and video cameras used it.
>> Just another electronics dead end basically.
>>
>>> Windows computers called them iLink
>>
>> Hardly ever bother with it in fact.
>>
>>> and used a 4 connector version without the power in the connection.
>>
>> It never did make any real sense compared with USB
>> and now that USB 3 has shown up, its just another
>> electronic dead end like eSATA always was.
>>
>>> Microsoft seem to assume you are connected all the time.
>>
>> But not that everything is in any cloud.
>>
>>> It's like the olden days of mainframes and terminals,
>>
>> Nope, nothing even remotely like that.
>>
>> You can still do everything locally
>> if you want to and most still do.
>>
>>> as if they are trying to recreate that.
>>
>> Nope, nothing even remotely like that.
>>
>> Just MUCH better and more convenient
>> availability of what you create on all of
>> the devices you have, even when you
>> are out and about or don’t even bother
>> with a desktop or laptop at all anymore.

> A bit sick of this forgetting the past.

No one is forgetting the past. There have always
been lots of technologys that eventually fall by
the wayside and plenty that never did fly.

> I can't help but notice standards seemed higher several years ago,

That's bullshit with USB alone which does a hell of
a lot more than any of the technologys it replaced.

Same with wifi.

> only convenience matters now.

BULLSHIT.

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