Re: win10 ugrdade

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.politics, aus.tv
Subject	Re: win10 ugrdade
Date	2016-02-01 15:37 +1100
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"ÖrdögMephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan" <Belphegor@Hell.biz> wrote in 
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> Trevor <trevor@home.net> live on stage:
>
>> On 31/01/2016 2:17 PM, Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan wrote:
>>> Trevor <trevor@home.net> live on stage:
>>>
>>>> On 31/01/2016 7:01 AM, Je�us wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:20:52 +1100, Dennis <me@mail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:17:51 +1100 felix_unger <me@nothere.biz>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> How can I do a clean install of win 10 using the free upgrade? do I
>>>>>>> have to install win 7 on a new HD and then upgrade, or can I
>>>>>>> install win 10 from a download and use the win 7 key to activiate
>>>>>>> it? thanx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I had Win 10 I would be upgrading to Win 7. If you have Win7 -
>>>>>> thats as good as it gets.
>>>>>> Microsoft still haven't recovered from the Win 8 mess.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have *no* interest in Win 8 or 10, myself.
>>>>> Win 7 may well be the last MS release I'll be using by the looks of
>>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> Better not *ever* buy a new computer or peripheral then. Once MS drops
>>>> support, hardware companies do not provide drivers for obsolete OS's.
>>>> Most new computers, printers, scanners etc. can no longer run XP even
>>>> if you want to.
>>>> And driver support for the real alternative of Linux is not much
>>>> better in most cases unfortunately. :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It is a lot better than you might imagine in Linux.
>>
>> Despite what you seem to imagine, I use Linux on some computers. It's
>> the best choice for specific purpose applications like servers, or
>> simple internet browsing.
>>
>>
>>> You would have noticed that had you attempted installing both Linux and
>>> Windows from scratch.
>>> To test hardware compatibility you can always boot up with a Linux live
>>> image to see what will work and what not. It only takes a small Google
>>> search to select the compatible components for Linux when you build a
>>> new system. After a fresh install with the exception of the graphic
>>> card (if you installed an extra one into your system) everything works
>>> right away as it is intended "out of the box"...no further install
>>> disks and driver searches needed.
>>> Internet, wireless, peripherals all work instantly if you did your
>>> hardware selection right.
>>
>> Exactly. Fine if you are buying all new hardware and do your homework
>> first. Not so much if you already have hardware without driver support,
>> or want specific purpose hardware that doesn't have it.
>>
>>
>>> It took me to install Windows 7 with all additional software packages
>>> and driver disks needed a whole afternoon. I was finished with Linux
>>> less than 30 minutes including all add-ons and apps.
>>
>> So what, you can easily install Win 7 in 30 minutes for some
>> combinations of hardware, and you won't get some to run at all under
>> Linux. As always, horses for courses.
>
> You said it: "for some combination of hardware".
> So how is that different from Linux installation? And let me say this:
> you are comparing apples and oranges, eh? You have conveniently ignored
> the fact that after installing Windows you then have to start installing
> all hardware drives painfully restarting the OS the umpteenth time and
> when you are done you still have no basic set of applications on the hard
> disk.
> Linux does away with this pain quite elegantly. The software installation
> and management system these days are far superior to what Windows has on
> offer. (think "Apt" for instance.)
>
> So please allow me to take your statement about the 30 minutes Windows
> installation with a grain of salt.

You can take it with anything you like. This machine that I assembled
myself needs no extra drivers what so ever and nothing done to the
install at all except to add the apps and did take less than 30 mins
to install everything, including the apps, and I didn’t select the
hardware at all, just included what was cheapest and best value.

> BTW I am using the latest Linux Mint 17.3 on relatively recent hardware
> (like a Lenovo B50 laptop, a FitPC4, a Gigabyte Brix and a self built
> box) as well as on quite dated hardware like an ancient IBM Thinkpad.
>
> My Lenovo came with Windows 7 pre-installed. (I run it now in dual boot
> mode with Linux Mint 17.3 KDE 64bit). I kept getting prompts in Windows
> to upgrade to Windows 10. I hate to admit it, I fell for the MS plot (not
> worrying too much since Linux was my solid fall-back option).
> Needless to say that the upgrade has failed even after Windows telling me
> that my system was compatible to Win10. Well, this post is now written
> under Linux which should tell you something!
>
> -- 
> Ördög
> (A Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet)

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win10 ugrdade felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> - 2016-01-29 12:17 +1100
  Re: win10 ugrdade Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-01-29 12:50 +1100
    Re: win10 ugrdade Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> - 2016-01-29 17:51 +1100
    Re: win10 ugrdade felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-29 20:02 +1100
      Re: win10 ugrdade Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> - 2016-01-30 19:42 +1100
  Re: win10 ugrdade Dennis <me@mail.com> - 2016-01-30 19:20 +1100
    Re: win10 ugrdade Jeßus <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-01-31 07:01 +1100
      Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-31 13:43 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-01-31 03:17 +0000
          Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-31 19:35 +1100
            Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-01-31 21:42 +0000
              Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 15:37 +1100
              Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-01 17:20 +1100
              Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-01 20:26 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Your_newsgroup_devil Ördög <lies-greed-corruption-hate@lnp.org.au> - 2016-02-01 12:26 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-02-02 00:22 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-01 20:48 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-02-03 00:26 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2016-02-02 20:52 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 06:31 +1100
          Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 05:21 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade "Pelican" <water-birds@sea.somewhere.org.ir> - 2016-01-31 15:21 +1100
          Re: win10 ugrdade Jeßus <j@j.invalid> - 2016-02-01 06:12 +1100
            Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-01 16:50 +1100
              Re: win10 ugrdade "Pelican" <water-birds@sea.somewhere.org.ir> - 2016-02-01 17:42 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 23:35 -0800
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-02 13:35 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade "Pelican" <water-birds@sea.somewhere.org.ir> - 2016-02-02 14:58 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-02 15:43 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade "Pelican" <water-birds@sea.somewhere.org.ir> - 2016-02-02 21:07 +1100
            Re: win10 ugrdade Dennis <me@mail.com> - 2016-02-04 21:10 +1100
              Re: win10 ugrdade Jeßus <j@j.invalid> - 2016-02-05 07:17 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-04 20:35 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Jeßus <j@j.invalid> - 2016-02-05 07:55 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade "SG1" <Lost@the.races.com> - 2016-02-05 07:13 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-05 18:34 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-06 10:34 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-02-06 00:52 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade "SG1" <Lost@the.races.com> - 2016-02-06 11:15 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-06 12:18 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade "SG1" <Lost@the.races.com> - 2016-02-06 12:13 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-06 22:14 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-08 18:51 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-08 16:46 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-06 12:15 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-06 22:01 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade XR8 Sprintless <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-07 08:53 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-07 00:21 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade XR8 Sprintless <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-07 13:32 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-02-07 14:02 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade XR8 Sprintless <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-07 13:20 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-08 18:50 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Wotawonderfulworld <itdoesntmatter@who.com> - 2016-02-08 10:14 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade "SG1" <Lost@the.races.com> - 2016-02-08 20:39 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-08 21:48 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-02-09 20:33 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-09 17:00 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-09 13:51 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-08 15:25 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-08 22:23 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-09 18:36 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-09 14:05 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-09 17:07 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-10 19:25 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-06 22:12 +0000
              Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-05 15:50 +1100
      Re: win10 ugrdade jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-01-30 23:44 -0800
        Re: win10 ugrdade Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-01-31 22:43 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 05:23 +1100
          Re: win10 ugrdade jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 23:41 -0800
            Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 20:10 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 05:36 +1100
      Re: win10 ugrdade Dennis <me@mail.com> - 2016-01-31 21:06 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade Jeßus <j@j.invalid> - 2016-02-01 06:15 +1100
          Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 15:31 +1100
          Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-01 16:56 +1100
  Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-30 20:35 +0000
    Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-01-30 21:52 +0000
      Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-31 14:03 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-01-31 03:41 +0000
          Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-31 19:46 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-01 20:18 +1000
          Re: win10 ugrdade Jeßus <j@j.invalid> - 2016-02-02 09:26 +1100
            Re: win10 ugrdade not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-02-01 22:41 +0000
              Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-02 09:38 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-02 09:40 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Jeßus <j@j.invalid> - 2016-02-02 12:35 +1100
              Re: win10 ugrdade Jeßus <j@j.invalid> - 2016-02-02 10:44 +1100
          Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-02 13:37 +1100
            Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-02 21:56 +1000
              Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-03 14:50 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-03 16:36 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-03 19:14 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Your_newsgroup_devil Ördög <lies-greed-corruption-hate@lnp.org.au> - 2016-02-03 08:28 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au> - 2016-02-03 22:08 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög <devil@hell.net> - 2016-02-03 21:00 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-04 18:39 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-08 16:35 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-04 18:26 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-04 18:19 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 00:17 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 15:33 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 11:56 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade "SG1" <Lost@the.races.com> - 2016-02-07 11:43 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:18 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-07 21:27 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 10:36 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 13:38 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 04:19 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 10:39 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Wotawonderfulworld <itdoesntmatter@who.com> - 2016-02-08 10:08 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade "XR8_Sprintless" <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-08 13:56 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Wotawonderfulworld <itdoesntmatter@who.com> - 2016-02-08 22:10 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2016-02-08 22:12 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade "XR8 Sprintless" <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-09 05:14 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-08 19:02 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-08 15:33 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Wotawonderfulworld <itdoesntmatter@who.com> - 2016-02-08 22:15 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-09 13:44 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Wotawonderfulworld <itdoesntmatter@who.com> - 2016-02-10 01:20 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-10 19:30 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-09 17:15 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Wotawonderfulworld <itdoesntmatter@who.com> - 2016-02-10 01:21 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-10 19:33 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-02-10 20:37 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-10 21:23 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2016-02-10 21:49 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-11 01:27 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Fran Farmer <ask@maybeitwillbeforthcoming.com> - 2016-02-10 07:33 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Wotawonderfulworld <itdoesntmatter@who.com> - 2016-02-10 01:24 +0000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Fran Farmer <ask@maybeitwillbeforthcoming.com> - 2016-02-10 18:18 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-05 15:45 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-04 09:08 +1000
                Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-04 18:41 +1100
                Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-08 16:36 +1000
      Re: win10 ugrdade noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2016-02-01 20:06 +1000
      Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-01 11:22 +0000
      Re: win10 ugrdade Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-02-01 23:25 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade Your_newsgroup_devil Ördög <lies-greed-corruption-hate@lnp.org.au> - 2016-02-01 12:43 +0000
          Re: win10 ugrdade Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-02-02 00:20 +1100
            Re: win10 ugrdade Ördög Mephisto Belphegor Lucifer Satan <Belphegor@Hell.biz> - 2016-02-01 21:28 +0000
    Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-01-31 13:49 +1100
      Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-01-31 21:18 +0000
        Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-01 17:04 +1100
          Re: win10 ugrdade Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-02-01 10:53 +0000
    Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 05:35 +1100
      Re: win10 ugrdade jonz <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 22:38 -0800
      Re: win10 ugrdade keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au> - 2016-02-03 22:24 +1000
        Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 06:53 +1100
          Re: win10 ugrdade keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au> - 2016-02-04 12:56 +1000
            Re: win10 ugrdade "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 14:54 +1100
        Re: win10 ugrdade Trevor <trevor@home.net> - 2016-02-04 18:32 +1100
    Re: win10 ugrdade felix <me@nothere.invalid> - 2016-02-03 20:04 +1100
  Re: win10 ugrdade hereford <takecarebeware@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 00:07 +1100

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