Re: anti-virus

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: anti-virus
Date	2015-10-31 20:21 +1100
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"Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
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> On 31/10/2015 6:33 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>> On 31-October-2015 5:31 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 31/10/2015 4:36 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>> On 30-October-2015 8:47 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 30/10/2015 8:19 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>> On 30-October-2015 3:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:d9el9lFbvtdU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 6:59 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 29/10/2015 6:35 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 5:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/10/2015 5:39 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 5:32 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/10/2015 4:11 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 2:02 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 12:41 PM, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:00:48 +0800, "Max" <max@val.morgan>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9brguFkn81U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Avast better than AVG? (both free versions)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would you bother with either when you can just use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defender
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (formerly Microsoft Security Essentials) which doesn't nag
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a paid version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has detected malware twice now before SpyHunter has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also does much more like back-ups and anti-virus!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the consensus so far is that Avast is better. and it has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than AVG, if that is any indication of superiority.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/en-au/index  "The worlds number one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-virus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with 230 million users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avg.com/au-en/homepage  "AVG free. protecting over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million active users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't really know anything about defender, except that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M$,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on that basis alone, I am averse to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you're not using Windows XX then????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed win10 on one PC and a laptop, but I haven't done 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> main PC
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet until I see how it goes on those. So is this defender
>>>>>>>>>>>> something that
>>>>>>>>>>>> comes with win10? is it enabled by default? so I have it
>>>>>>>>>>>> already on
>>>>>>>>>>>> those I upgraded? I put AVG on them and as I recall, it didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> say there
>>>>>>>>>>>> was already an AV on them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AVG, when installed, will usually disable Windows Defender. It
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> still be there, it just won't be running.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ok, so I have defender already. so do you recommend using it and
>>>>>>>>>> dispensing with third party AV?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's all I use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having 2 or more virus scanners running concurrently on the one
>>>>>>>>>>> machine will only bring you grief.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes, I know
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A lot don't and I've seen computers with 3 or more virus scanners
>>>>>>>>> running. I suspect these get accidentally installed when people
>>>>>>>>> install 'free' software and just do an 'easy install'. They never
>>>>>>>>> see the check boxes so never realise that the install is including
>>>>>>>>> some optional extras that they don't want or need. Toolbars are 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> worst. They really slow the system down when you get 5 or 6 on
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> each competing for CPU cycles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes, seen plenty of PC's with all sorts of crap. the sad thing is
>>>>>>>> some ppl are so unknowledgeable about computers, that as their
>>>>>>>> computer gets progressively slower due to being chocked by 
>>>>>>>> temporary
>>>>>>>> files, fragmented HD, toolbars, and of courses viruses and malware,
>>>>>>>> they think it is 'wearing out' and go and buy a new one!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fragmented HD has no effect on normal operations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes it does it slows down the computer. the more severely
>>>>>> fragmented it
>>>>>> is the more effect it will have.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That depends on the filesystem in use. Some filesystems are more
>>>>> resistant to fragmentation than others.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> which are and which are not? it's always with windoze. :)
>>>>
>>> Might I suggest you have a read;
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/7pd939k
>>>
>>> Your questions will be answered.
>>>
>>
>> that's Linux, but we were talking about windoze.
>
> I was talking about "filesystems", not Operating Systems. All computers 
> have filesystems on their storage devices. Some filesystems are better 
> than others. Windoze filesystems are the worst of the worst.
>
>> and despite what Rod
>> says, I know from experience that a 99% fragmented HD will be slower
>> than a 1% fragmented HD regardless of the file system- using windoze of
>> course.
>>
> Windows, generally speaking, puts little intelligence into block 
> allocation on its file systems.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

> That's why they fragment quickly and fragment badly.

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

> Might be why Linux and other Nix's have killed off windows in the server 
> marketplace, do you think?

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

> That's not even getting down to the nitty gritty of security and 
> reliability!

Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

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