Re: anti-virus

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: anti-virus
Date	2015-10-31 20:19 +1100
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"felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message 
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> On 31-October-2015 5:31 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 31/10/2015 4:36 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> On 30-October-2015 8:47 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 30/10/2015 8:19 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>> On 30-October-2015 3:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:d9el9lFbvtdU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 6:59 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 29/10/2015 6:35 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 5:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 29/10/2015 5:39 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 5:32 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/10/2015 4:11 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 2:02 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 12:41 PM, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:00:48 +0800, "Max" <max@val.morgan>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9brguFkn81U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Avast better than AVG? (both free versions)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would you bother with either when you can just use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Defender
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (formerly Microsoft Security Essentials) which doesn't nag
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a paid version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has detected malware twice now before SpyHunter has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also does much more like back-ups and anti-virus!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the consensus so far is that Avast is better. and it has more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than AVG, if that is any indication of superiority.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/en-au/index  "The worlds number one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-virus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with 230 million users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avg.com/au-en/homepage  "AVG free. protecting over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200
>>>>>>>>>>>>> million active users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't really know anything about defender, except that it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M$,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on that basis alone, I am averse to it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you're not using Windows XX then????
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I installed win10 on one PC and a laptop, but I haven't done the
>>>>>>>>>>> main PC
>>>>>>>>>>> yet until I see how it goes on those. So is this defender
>>>>>>>>>>> something that
>>>>>>>>>>> comes with win10? is it enabled by default? so I have it
>>>>>>>>>>> already on
>>>>>>>>>>> those I upgraded? I put AVG on them and as I recall, it didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> say there
>>>>>>>>>>> was already an AV on them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AVG, when installed, will usually disable Windows Defender. It 
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> still be there, it just won't be running.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ok, so I have defender already. so do you recommend using it and
>>>>>>>>> dispensing with third party AV?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's all I use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having 2 or more virus scanners running concurrently on the one
>>>>>>>>>> machine will only bring you grief.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes, I know
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A lot don't and I've seen computers with 3 or more virus scanners
>>>>>>>> running. I suspect these get accidentally installed when people
>>>>>>>> install 'free' software and just do an 'easy install'. They never
>>>>>>>> see the check boxes so never realise that the install is including
>>>>>>>> some optional extras that they don't want or need. Toolbars are the
>>>>>>>> worst. They really slow the system down when you get 5 or 6 on 
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> each competing for CPU cycles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes, seen plenty of PC's with all sorts of crap. the sad thing is
>>>>>>> some ppl are so unknowledgeable about computers, that as their
>>>>>>> computer gets progressively slower due to being chocked by temporary
>>>>>>> files, fragmented HD, toolbars, and of courses viruses and malware,
>>>>>>> they think it is 'wearing out' and go and buy a new one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fragmented HD has no effect on normal operations.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes it does it slows down the computer. the more severely fragmented 
>>>>> it
>>>>> is the more effect it will have.
>>>>>
>>>> That depends on the filesystem in use. Some filesystems are more
>>>> resistant to fragmentation than others.
>>>>
>>>
>>> which are and which are not? it's always with windoze. :)
>>>
>> Might I suggest you have a read;
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/7pd939k
>>
>> Your questions will be answered.
>>
>
> that's Linux, but we were talking about windoze. and despite what Rod 
> says, I know from experience that a 99% fragmented HD will be slower than 
> a 1% fragmented HD regardless of the file system

Wrong, as always.

> - using windoze of course.

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