Re: anti-virus

From	felix_unger <me@nothere.biz>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: anti-virus
Date	2015-10-30 20:37 +1100
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On 30-October-2015 8:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 30-October-2015 12:46 AM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 30/10/2015 12:29 AM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> On 29-October-2015 6:59 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 29/10/2015 6:35 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>> On 29-October-2015 5:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/10/2015 5:39 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 5:32 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 29/10/2015 4:11 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 2:02 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 29-October-2015 12:41 PM, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:00:48 +0800, "Max" <max@val.morgan> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:d9brguFkn81U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Avast better than AVG? (both free versions)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would you bother with either when you can just use Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> Defender
>>>>>>>>>>>> (formerly Microsoft Security Essentials) which doesn't nag 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you to
>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade to
>>>>>>>>>>>> a paid version.
>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion also.
>>>>>>>>>>> Has detected malware twice now before SpyHunter has?
>>>>>>>>>>> Also does much more like back-ups and anti-virus!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the consensus so far is that Avast is better. and it has more 
>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>> than AVG, if that is any indication of superiority.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/en-au/index  "The worlds number one 
>>>>>>>>> anti-virus
>>>>>>>>> with 230 million users"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.avg.com/au-en/homepage  "AVG free. protecting over 200
>>>>>>>>> million active users"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> don't really know anything about defender, except that it's 
>>>>>>>>>> by M$,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> on that basis alone, I am averse to it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you're not using Windows XX then????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I installed win10 on one PC and a laptop, but I haven't done the
>>>>>>> main PC
>>>>>>> yet until I see how it goes on those. So is this defender something
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> comes with win10? is it enabled by default? so I have it already on
>>>>>>> those I upgraded? I put AVG on them and as I recall, it didn't say
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> was already an AV on them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> AVG, when installed, will usually disable Windows Defender. It will
>>>>>> still be there, it just won't be running.
>>>>>
>>>>> ok, so I have defender already. so do you recommend using it and
>>>>> dispensing with third party AV?
>>>>
>>>> It's all I use.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what to do
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Having 2 or more virus scanners running concurrently on the one
>>>>>> machine will only bring you grief.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, I know
>>>>>
>>>> A lot don't and I've seen computers with 3 or more virus scanners
>>>> running. I suspect these get accidentally installed when people
>>>> install 'free' software and just do an 'easy install'. They never see
>>>> the check boxes so never realise that the install is including some
>>>> optional extras that they don't want or need. Toolbars are the worst.
>>>> They really slow the system down when you get 5 or 6 on there each
>>>> competing for CPU cycles.
>>>
>>> yes, seen plenty of PC's with all sorts of crap. the sad thing is some
>>> ppl are so unknowledgeable about computers, that as their computer gets
>>> progressively slower due to being chocked by temporary files, 
>>> fragmented
>>> HD, toolbars, and of courses viruses and malware, they think it is
>>> 'wearing out' and go and buy a new one!
>>
>> Indeed they do. Don't mind as long as they toss their old one my way!
>>
>> Another thing that really slows people's computer down is a really 
>> simple one, browser caches. Most browsers seem to determine auto 
>> cache size based on HDD size. Back in the days of small HDDs, this 
>> wasn't an issue. Now however the cache can get to half a GB 
>> comfortably. Is it a problem? Well, yes it is. The cache typically 
>> gets filled with very small web files. The more space you have, the 
>> more you can fit in. Given that the cache was originally designed to 
>> save the browser from needing to go to the web to get files it 
>> already has a copy of in its cache, it saved bandwidth in the days of 
>> slow old dialup. Now, of course, it takes longer to sift through, 
>> find and retrieve the file from the cache, worse if the cache size is 
>> huge, than it would to simply get a fresh copy from the net. To 
>> alleviate this issue, I reduce browser cache to 20 or even 10 MB. 
>> Currently on Firefox I have overridden automatic cache management and 
>> restricted it to 20MB on this computer. With real broadband, there 
>> simply isn't the need for huge cache sizes any more.
>
> and did you notice a significant difference in speed when you did 
> that? also utilities like Ccleaner will clear browser caches.
>
>> Sure, this issue will only slow down the browsing but you would be 
>> surprised to see that this is all a lot of people use their computer 
>> for - browsing on the net. They do everything via their browser so if 
>> the cache is slowing them down, their whole internet experience is 
>> compromised.
>>
>>
>

FF is recommending a cache limit of 350mb if auto management is 
disabled, but I can't see anywhere in Chrome to manage the cache


-- 
rgds,

Pete
-------
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