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Re: A real quantum computer, doing real work, doesn't exist.

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On 10/27/15 20:29, Davoud wrote:
> GreyCloud:
>>> Then how come NSA is building one?
>
> Siri Cruz:
>> NSA doesn't. NSA buys computers rather than build them.
>
> True, if taken literally. NSA and other gov't agencies design and
> invent, but government agencies are limited by law in the number of
> devices that they can build; after the prototype stage manufacture has
> to be turned over to the private sector. If they need a very few of a
> sensitive device they may build it themselves. (Obama isn't /really/ a
> socialist!) There are exceptions for certain things; NSA has a chip
> fabrication facility on its campus to fabricate classified chips, but
> for all I know that may be operated by a private-sector contractor as
> well. To save the taxpayer money NSA buys off-the-shelf when it can.
>

They fab their own chips if it isn't commercially available. 
Cryptograhpic chips they do themselves for security reasons.  They don't 
want a vendor to know how it works.  I don't know if you have heard 
about the 350Mhz cpu chip fabbed in 1965.
Somewere on NSAs website, www.nsa.gov, there is a release program to 
corporations for advanced technology that they deem should be useful for 
public use.

Anyway, since when did the nsa ever obey the law?


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Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

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