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Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team

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[This will be my last message on this thread.
I go away on vacation tomorrow.]


>>>>> "Didier" == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> writes:


    Didier> The crux of my strong disagreement is here: as DPL, you just
    Didier> _framed_ the Montreal miniDebConf as a protest.

This is a case where perception is powerful too.
I perceived it as a protest.
Several others, including people involved in DC20 see it that way.

That in and of itself is a problem of perception.
Even that problem of perception is sufficient to negatively impact  the
people doing the work.
Even that problem of perception is worth solving.

I really hope that supporting our people doing the work at DC20 is
uncontroversial.
You and others think my particular proposed solution sucks.

Okay.
I gave enough flexibility that another solution can be chosen.
(I also gave enough flexibility that people can choose to do nothing.
I think that people who do perceive a problem here will hear nothing a
certain way, but I explicitly left that option.)

Personally, I don't think simply a statement would be enough.
I would hear actual effort spent to constructively make things better
louder than any words.
Whether that's in the form of isolating Debian as I proposed or taking
some positive constructive steps to help out the people working on DC20
explicitly to say  we support you, or something we haven't thought of
yet.

Even if I got it wrong, we could choose to spend all this energy
supporting each other rather than fighting.

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Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 16:20 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Matthew Vernon <matthewv@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-02-19 17:30 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:10 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2020-02-19 20:10 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2020-02-19 20:30 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:10 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:40 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:50 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Anthony DeRobertis <anthony@derobert.net> - 2020-02-20 01:30 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 08:40 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Daniel Baumann <daniel@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 08:50 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana <phls@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:50 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 08:30 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 10:10 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 10:30 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 10:40 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-02-20 13:00 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2020-02-20 14:10 +0100
          Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-02-20 18:20 +0100
            Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 20:00 +0100
              Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 20:40 +0100
                Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tvaz@riseup.net> - 2020-02-20 21:10 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 18:10 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Jack Warkentin <jwark@bellaliant.net> - 2020-02-20 18:00 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team micah anderson <micah@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 22:00 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 22:00 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 14:50 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 20:00 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Dato Simó <dato@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 17:20 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 17:40 +0100

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