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Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team

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I have taken my frustration to Sam, and he clarified one thing:

Le mercredi, 19 février 2020, 16.17:00 h CET Sam Hartman a écrit :
> So, I'm going to approve the budget with one change requested by the
> DebConf committee.  But see below.

I (now) understand this to mean "both the budget and the use of Debian 
ressources" _are_ approved. This makes the following request _very_ bizarre.

> My Request to Montreal Organizers
> =================================
> 
> (…)
> So, I ask you to find and make some meaningful, clear statement to show
> support for our volunteers putting on DC20.
> 
> I think the easiest way for you to do that is to withdraw your budget
> request and for you to do the conference logistics on your own. (…)
> 
> If that's not your choice, then I ask you to find some other meaningful
> way (stronger than just words) to show support for the volunteers in
> Debian, even though you disagree with the location.
> 
> The choice is entirely yours.
> This is a request.  You can reinterpret it or even ignore it.

At the risk of poking a little fun at recent US politics: this _really really_ 
reads as a /quid pro quo/.

You are still saying "one way is to withdraw your budget request (…); if that 
is not your choice, I _ask_ you to find some other way". So what happens if 
they put your request to /dev/null, if you're not withdrawing the DPL 
approval?

You are asking the Montreal miniDebConf Team to "show support for our 
volunteers putting on DC20" while, at *no point*, they have said *anything* 
contrary. They said "we cannot _attend_ DebConf20 for personal reasons", and 
now you're asking them to show their allegiance to the Debian project; or what 
is it?. That's not (quoting your own words): "valuing the other members of 
Debian even when you disagree with them".

I'm really disappointed and sad that you found no other way to support both 
the DebConf20 _and_ the Montreal miniDebConf teams other than asking the 
latter explicitly to do without Debian's logistical support.

    OdyX

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Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 16:20 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Matthew Vernon <matthewv@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-02-19 17:30 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:10 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2020-02-19 20:10 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2020-02-19 20:30 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:10 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:40 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:50 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Anthony DeRobertis <anthony@derobert.net> - 2020-02-20 01:30 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 08:40 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Daniel Baumann <daniel@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 08:50 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana <phls@debian.org> - 2020-02-19 20:50 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 08:30 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 10:10 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Michael Banck <mbanck@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 10:30 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 10:40 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-02-20 13:00 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2020-02-20 14:10 +0100
          Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-02-20 18:20 +0100
            Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 20:00 +0100
              Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 20:40 +0100
                Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tvaz@riseup.net> - 2020-02-20 21:10 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 18:10 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Jack Warkentin <jwark@bellaliant.net> - 2020-02-20 18:00 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team micah anderson <micah@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 22:00 +0100
        Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 22:00 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the DC20 Team Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 14:50 +0100
      Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not the  DC20 Team Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 20:00 +0100
  Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Dato Simó <dato@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 17:20 +0100
    Re: Request to Mini DebConf Montreal Organizers: Fight Israel not  the DC20 Team Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2020-02-20 17:40 +0100

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