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Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa

From Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa
Date 2019-07-24 14:30 +0200
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On July 24, 2019 10:43:57 AM UTC, Phil Morrell <debian@emorrp1.name> wrote:
>On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 07:34:02PM +1000, Alexander Zangerl wrote:
>> i detest unwarranted, imposed, uniformity. i *love* consistency. we
>have
>> had consistency in the distribution for ages. we don't need uniform
>> workflows.
>
>It's not (always) about mandating workflows, see Ian's careful
>distinction in the GitPackagingSurvey between sharing format and
>workflow. Your previous mail said:
>
>> as long as the resulting package aupload conforms to the specs i see
>no
>
>I believe this GR is about moving the needle on what those specs say -
>that a source tarball is no longer enough to represent the "preferred
>form of modification" for debian developers (to reference another
>thread).  **If** it's decided that a debian package must have a git
>representation hosted on salsa as a service to users, then yes that may
>restrict your workflow freedom.

Since use of a public VCS isn't universal among free software projects, the implication is that one could take a non-free upstream tarball, dump it into git on salsa and magically make it free.  I think this is a ridiculous concept.

>I hope it wouldn't go as far as requiring that you literally use
>git-buildpackage itself, but it might say that in non-exceptional
>cases,
>tag2upload must replace dput. That's a long way off, but yes you would
>end up having to adapt your workflow slightly to meet the new spec.

I've been a Debian contributor for over a decade.  I've never built a package for upload from anything other than dpkg-buildpackage.  I've used gbp (as well as git-dpm and doing it manually) for patch management.

This entire discussion feels to me like a small group of developers trying to tell the rest of us "my way or the highway".  We are perfectly capable of phasing out obsolete workflows without a hammer like a GR (remember dpatch).

I probably have better things to do with my time than learning from scratch how to contribute to Debian.

Scott K

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Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-23 20:00 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-23 20:10 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> - 2019-07-23 21:20 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 21:40 +0200
    Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> - 2019-07-23 21:40 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-24 06:40 +0200
    Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2019-07-24 07:10 +0200
      Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-24 09:10 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2019-07-24 10:20 +0200
      Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Alexander Zangerl <az@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 09:20 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 09:30 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 11:30 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Alexander Zangerl <az@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 11:40 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 12:10 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Phil Morrell <debian@emorrp1.name> - 2019-07-24 12:50 +0200
              Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-24 14:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 15:20 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Fabien Givors <f+debian@chezlefab.net> - 2019-07-24 17:40 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-24 23:40 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-07-25 11:50 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-25 13:40 +0200
                Do we want to try to find consensus before a GR? Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-07-25 18:40 +0200
                Re: Do we want to try to find consensus before a GR? David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2019-07-28 02:10 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2019-07-25 06:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2019-07-26 05:10 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Andy Simpkins <rattusrattus@debian.org> - 2019-07-26 16:50 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2019-07-26 17:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-08-27 02:10 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-08-27 10:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2019-08-27 11:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-26 19:00 +0200
                dpatch was: Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-08-27 03:00 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Thomas Pircher <thp+debian@p5r.uk> - 2019-07-24 12:40 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2019-07-25 07:00 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> - 2019-07-24 13:50 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-24 14:10 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 15:30 +0200
              Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2019-07-25 06:20 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> - 2019-07-24 15:40 +0200

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