Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa

From	Phil Morrell <debian@emorrp1.name>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.project
Subject	Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa
Date	2019-07-24 12:50 +0200
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 07:34:02PM +1000, Alexander Zangerl wrote:
> i detest unwarranted, imposed, uniformity. i *love* consistency. we have
> had consistency in the distribution for ages. we don't need uniform
> workflows.

It's not (always) about mandating workflows, see Ian's careful
distinction in the GitPackagingSurvey between sharing format and
workflow. Your previous mail said:

> as long as the resulting package aupload conforms to the specs i see no

I believe this GR is about moving the needle on what those specs say -
that a source tarball is no longer enough to represent the "preferred
form of modification" for debian developers (to reference another
thread).  **If** it's decided that a debian package must have a git
representation hosted on salsa as a service to users, then yes that may
restrict your workflow freedom.

I hope it wouldn't go as far as requiring that you literally use
git-buildpackage itself, but it might say that in non-exceptional cases,
tag2upload must replace dput. That's a long way off, but yes you would
end up having to adapt your workflow slightly to meet the new spec.

> or do you also plan to insist that your roofing contractor only uses
> <insert brand> tools and only cuts the rafters with your preferred saw?

To extend the analogy, no, but I would be happy insisting that they
place tiles, not thatch, and that rafters are cut in accordance with
local building regulation. This will incidentally turn away all
thatching contractors and anyone's workflow which relies on e.g. cutting
corners when out of sight.

Ultimately, assume a maintainer, or a whole team of uploaders gets hit
by a bus, how can we specify the definition of a "package" such that
other DDs can quickly and easily take up future maintenance.
--
Phil Morrell (emorrp1)

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Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-23 20:00 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-23 20:10 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> - 2019-07-23 21:20 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 21:40 +0200
    Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> - 2019-07-23 21:40 +0200
  Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-24 06:40 +0200
    Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2019-07-24 07:10 +0200
      Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-24 09:10 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2019-07-24 10:20 +0200
      Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Alexander Zangerl <az@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 09:20 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Alexander Wirt <formorer@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 09:30 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 11:30 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Alexander Zangerl <az@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 11:40 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 12:10 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Phil Morrell <debian@emorrp1.name> - 2019-07-24 12:50 +0200
              Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-24 14:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 15:20 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Fabien Givors <f+debian@chezlefab.net> - 2019-07-24 17:40 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-24 23:40 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-07-25 11:50 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-25 13:40 +0200
                Do we want to try to find consensus before a GR? Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-07-25 18:40 +0200
                Re: Do we want to try to find consensus before a GR? David Bremner <david@tethera.net> - 2019-07-28 02:10 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2019-07-25 06:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2019-07-26 05:10 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Andy Simpkins <rattusrattus@debian.org> - 2019-07-26 16:50 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2019-07-26 17:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-08-27 02:10 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-08-27 10:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2019-08-27 11:30 +0200
                Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-26 19:00 +0200
                dpatch was: Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-08-27 03:00 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Thomas Pircher <thp+debian@p5r.uk> - 2019-07-24 12:40 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages, using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on Salsa Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2019-07-25 07:00 +0200
        Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> - 2019-07-24 13:50 +0200
          Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-24 14:10 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 15:30 +0200
              Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2019-07-25 06:20 +0200
            Re: GR proposal: mandating VcsGit and VcsBrowser for all packages,  using the "gbp patches unapplied" layout, and maybe also mandating hosted on  Salsa Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> - 2019-07-24 15:40 +0200

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