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Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey

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>>>>> "Marc" == Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de> writes:

    Marc> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:04:43PM +0200, Christian Kastner wrote:
    >> Answering the second question first: my interpretation of
    >> mediation in this context is a resolution process for the
    >> aforementioned conflicting interpretations, whereby one or more
    >> neutral roles (eg: DPL or A-H) attempt a resolution in
    >> cooperation with the involved parties.
    >> 
    >> I see this form of mediation helping to draw that line because
    >> (a) it gives all parties an opportunity to have their side heard,
    >> (b) it demonstrates that those drawing the line have sufficiently
    >> engaged in understanding the problem, and (c) it sends a clear
    >> signal that we as a project aim to solve conflicts cooperatively.
    >> 
    >> To me, (a) is an issue of fairness of the process. "The Project
    >> will draw a line but will hear you before drawing that line".
    >> 
    >> It is my impression that some of the grievances, or the magnitude
    >> thereof, result not from actual actions against an individual,
    >> but rather from not being heard in the process.

    Marc> +1

    >> First, there are numerous reasons why two parties might arrive at
    >> conflicting interpretations, ranging anywhere from
    >> misunderstandings to moral differences to incomplete information
    >> to simple matters of principle.
    >> 
    >> Second, even if the root cause is correctly identified, there
    >> might be more than one solution to the problem, with varying
    >> costs and benefits to the parties but also to the project.
    >> 
    >> To me, the no-mediation-approach is at best a crude heuristic
    >> that just targets a specific symptom, regardless of the actual
    >> cause.

    Marc> The no-mediation approach is un-inclusive towards people who
    Marc> involuntarily write things that sound more harsh than
    Marc> meant. This is a rather common pattern in nerds that we tend
    Marc> to overreact and overstress things. Not doing any mediation
    Marc> before making actions such as expelling people from the
    Marc> project is a violation of the diversity statement.

I'm not 100% sure that you and Christian are talking about the same
thing.

Christian is talking about mediating the question of whether something
is a CoC violation or not.

You are talking about having a conversation about how to respond when
there is a CoC violation.  (If it's more harsh than intended in a way
where it's not respectful or doesn't create a welcoming community, it's
inconsistent with our standards regardless of what you intended.  But
the best response is often to help you do a better job of expressing
what you intended when things are coming across too harsh.)


I think that conversation you're talking about--understanding the
circumstances and especially for people interested in improving
discussing ways to do that--is something I hope our AH process will
have.


--Sam

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Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2019-07-09 14:20 +0200
  Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-07-10 03:40 +0200
    Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-10 05:00 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-07-10 05:50 +0200
        Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Martina Ferrari <tina@tincho.org> - 2019-07-11 22:20 +0200
          Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-07-15 13:10 +0200
          Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de> - 2019-07-16 09:00 +0200
            Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-07-16 21:10 +0200
            Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> - 2019-07-17 01:20 +0200
    Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2019-07-13 04:30 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-13 05:50 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-07-13 06:20 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-07-13 11:10 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de> - 2019-07-13 11:20 +0200
        Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-14 07:20 +0200

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