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Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey

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[Replying in a personal capacity here.]

Christian,

On 10/07/2019 06:45, Christian Kastner wrote:

> However, if there's one thing I've learned from reading -project and
> especially -private in the recent past, it's that where this line is
> drawn seems to be entirely unclear, and an unclear rule rarely (if ever)
> results in an improvement of things.

This is true, and makes things more difficult for everybody involved. It
is a direct consequence of how the CoC is written, but I am not sure
there is a reasonable way to have a line clearly drawn without
drastically weakening the usefulness of the CoC. I think there were long
discussions about this very question back in the day when the CoC was
being drafted.

> Hence, I not only personally like Sam's idea of mediation, I believe it
> is essential to actually drawing that line. I believe it is essential to
> leading to improvement.

How do you see mediation helping draw that line? (Not a rhetorical
question, I am honestly curious). Also, there are different ways to
interpret the word mediation, what is your interpretation in this context?

> On the other hand, a complete rejection of mediation can lead to cases
> such as the following, where I cannot see the positive effect of A-H
> enforcement at all. On the contrary, I find this utterly confusing, and
> mails like these lead me to actively question whether I should even
> publicly disagree with someone on a list, lest it be considered
> harassment (this is not hyperbole, I can give an example on -private
> where simple disagreement led to an A-H report).

Please note that the case referred there was not simply about a
disagreement on a mailing list, and A-H did not produce any report: as
far as I know (I was not part of the team back then), the team only
involvement was giving support to the people raising the complaint to DAM.

-- 
Martina Ferrari (Tina, the artist formerly known as Tincho)

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Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2019-07-09 14:20 +0200
  Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-07-10 03:40 +0200
    Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-10 05:00 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-07-10 05:50 +0200
        Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Martina Ferrari <tina@tincho.org> - 2019-07-11 22:20 +0200
          Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-07-15 13:10 +0200
          Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de> - 2019-07-16 09:00 +0200
            Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-07-16 21:10 +0200
            Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> - 2019-07-17 01:20 +0200
    Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2019-07-13 04:30 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-07-13 05:50 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-07-13 06:20 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-07-13 11:10 +0200
      Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Marc Haber <mh+debian-packages@zugschlus.de> - 2019-07-13 11:20 +0200
        Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-14 07:20 +0200

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