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Re: iCloud Hacked Article

From Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: iCloud Hacked Article
Date 2012-08-09 07:55 -0600
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References (3 earlier) <8t48f9-7qh.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> <slrnk23qo1.vfq.g.kreme@mbp55.local> <foo9f9-gs62.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> <080820121044084787%star@sky.net> <vilain-EFCFFE.17402408082012@news.individual.net>

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Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> writes:

> In article <080820121044084787%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Paul Sture:
>> > Once they have your encrypted disk image, they can attempt to crack it at 
>> > their leisure.
>> 
>> So encrypt with a strong password.
>> 
>> They had better have lots of leisure time if they want to crack my
>> encrypted disk image. I use passwords following a pattern that is
>> vaguely typified by, but not the same as, this: *Jp4#aVia&TiOn-fUel! .
>> The number of all possible passwords following this paradigm is
>> 3,622,996,024,341,650,240,846,169,344,922,329,517,120 (3.62 x 10e39),
>> which is greater than the number of particles in the observable
>> Universe.
>> 
>> Time to crack with the fastest conceivable attack (100 trillion guesses
>> per second, which no hacker can do without a massively parallel
>> supercomputer) is 11.52 thousand trillion centuries, a long enough
>> period to be entirely meaningless in the context of any known or
>> conceivable Universe, though one could be in the ballpark if one
>> counted all of the fundamental particles in all the Universes in the
>> Multiverse, if such exists. I do not have duplicate passwords for any
>> log-ins.
>> 
>> For some frequently-used log-ins I have weaker passwords. The weakest
>> has a massive cracking array time of only 13.44 billion centuries.
>> 
>> So is my password crackable? Theoretically, yes, practically no. A
>> computer could hit it on the first guess, but divide 1 by the number
>> above to find the likelihood of that. I trust my financial data and
>> other important information to this PW without losing sleep. And
>> persons wanting secure passwords should also note this: hackers, don't
>> waste time looking for this password to be stored on any computer in
>> any form, or on-line, or anywhere else you would look, no matter how
>> clever you think you are; it is not stored in a strong,
>> pressure-and-water-proof container at the bottom of Lake Vostok, or in
>> a secret compartment in the Mars rover Curiosity, but those examples
>> should give you some idea of your chances of finding it. BTW, I also do
>> not keep a door key "hidden" on my property or in any of my cars, or on
>> my person, though making such a key unfindable (as a practical matter)
>> is easy enough if the owner is willing to put up with a little bit of
>> inconvenience if s/he needs to access it. Yet I have easy access to a
>> spare key if I need it.
>> 
>> OK, now that I've written all of this nonsense it's time to change my
>> password. I just noticed that if I were to use the exact number above,
>> 3,622,996....120 the massive cracking array time would increase to 1.22
>> thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion centuries. A hacker would
>> want to pack a lunch before launching that attack.
>
> Actually, someone asked about retrieving data from a FileVault encrypted 
> account recent.  He posted interesting articles about the nature of 
> Apple's File Vault encryption and the encryption used on their disk 
> images.  It's is much easier to crack that what you've laid out mostly 
> because there's 'leakage' with the key.  It led me to doubt my original 
> position of "if you don't know that password, learn to live without the 
> data".  The paper quoted showed how to break into these files.  
>
> Check out the Google group archives for the article.  Then wipe the smug 
> off your face.

And not everyone runs their cryptanalysis software on a desktop: 

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

Maybe we should write to the NSA and advise them to pack a lunch? :-)

In a possibly unrelated development, see also

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/54651214-79/power-million-rate-mountain.html.csp

-- 
Jim Janney

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        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:05 -0400
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    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:15 -0400
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          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:29 -0400
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              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:31 -0400
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    Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 00:31 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 20:16 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-08 12:28 +1200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:13 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:16 +0200
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              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 09:46 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 10:35 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 12:41 -0400
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        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 20:41 -0400
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            Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-08 01:49 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:29 +0000
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    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 03:48 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:49 +0200
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
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                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-08 20:16 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:22 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 07:03 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 10:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 12:29 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:50 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:53 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-11 20:18 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-11 21:44 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-11 23:35 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 19:00 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:19 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 23:06 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:26 +0200
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 10:59 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 16:27 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:29 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:25 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 13:30 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 14:49 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 15:05 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 15:55 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:53 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 20:30 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-09 17:50 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-10 09:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 10:18 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:49 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 10:50 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:48 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 12:21 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 10:00 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-10 13:23 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:54 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:14 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 08:50 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:55 +0200
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 15:17 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:28 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:39 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 10:44 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 14:59 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-08-09 10:50 +0100
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2012-08-08 17:40 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-09 07:55 -0600
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:40 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:15 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:42 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:19 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 15:44 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 18:36 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:21 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 21:09 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 05:34 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:45 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 17:39 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 11:12 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-10 01:08 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 22:59 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:31 +0000

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