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Re: iCloud Hacked Article

From Davoud <star@sky.net>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: iCloud Hacked Article
Date 2012-08-08 18:36 -0400
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <080820121836328532%star@sky.net> (permalink)
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Lewis:
> > By adding one character to my 1Password I could bump it up to 16 billion
> > years, and by changing one character to another I could bump it to 157
> > billion years.

> > Despite what you see in movies, people do not 'crack' encryption.

Geoffrey S. Mendelson:
> Of course they do. Most people don't use such secure encryption, and even if
> they did there always is a way to crack it.
> 
> Those numbers assume that someone is going to start out with all zeros in the
> key, add one and try to use it until it works. 
> 
> A much faster approach is to try to decrypt it with some standard keys and
> see the result. Based upon the result, you can determine the encryption
> method and with that you can use the data to figure out a working key.
> 
> Not usually the key used to encrypt the data, but one that still works.
> 
> This is not something you are going to find programs to do it with a web
> search, but google "large number theory" for a taste of it.
> 
> This is not new, it was how the Enigma encryption was broken in WWII.

But we know that there are encryption systems that have been in use for
years that have not been broken. You can't beat HUMINT when it comes to
learning how successful the enemy's SIGINT service is.

The attack on Enigma was aided by misuse of keys, captured keys, and
re-used keys, and intimate knowledge of the workings of the machine. In
the same vein, we read certain Soviet messages in what came to be known
as the Venona project. If those OTP's had been used properly the
ciphers would never have been broken. As it was, it required years of
painstaking work.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-06 17:46 -0400
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-06 21:54 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-06 20:33 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-06 20:47 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:05 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:26 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 06:05 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:20 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-08 00:08 +0000
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 20:40 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-07 13:20 +1200
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-07 10:48 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 12:34 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 12:58 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-08 14:30 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article MC <copespaz@mapca.inter.net> - 2012-08-08 17:18 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:19 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-06 23:21 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 01:15 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 09:24 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:29 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 01:26 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 05:41 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:11 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 06:22 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 02:31 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 08:28 +0200
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-07 09:19 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 09:30 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:15 +0000
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-08 08:11 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2012-08-07 18:26 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 00:26 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 00:31 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-07 20:16 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-08 12:28 +1200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:13 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:16 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-09 02:56 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 09:46 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 10:35 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 12:41 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-09 14:15 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 14:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-09 16:25 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:51 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 18:34 -0600
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 20:41 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:14 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-08 01:49 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:29 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-08 01:14 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:25 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2012-08-09 02:57 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-07 04:49 +0000
  Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jeff N <jeff+no.spam@jnadeau.com> - 2012-08-07 00:01 -0700
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-07 03:48 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:49 +0200
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 21:52 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 17:33 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-07 16:44 -0500
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-07 18:09 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 18:33 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-07 19:26 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-07 19:19 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-07 21:07 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 11:14 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-08 13:11 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-09 04:56 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-08-08 21:48 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:50 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-08 20:16 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:22 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 07:03 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 10:57 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 12:29 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:50 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:53 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-11 20:18 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-11 21:44 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-11 23:35 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2012-08-09 19:00 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:19 +0200
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 23:06 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:26 +0200
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 10:59 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 16:27 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-08 17:29 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-08 22:25 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 13:30 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 14:49 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-09 15:05 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 15:55 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-09 14:53 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-09 20:30 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-09 17:50 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-10 09:15 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 10:18 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:49 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 10:50 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 08:48 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-10 12:21 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-10 10:00 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-10 13:23 -0500
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-10 22:54 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:14 -0400
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 08:50 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-07 20:55 +0200
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-07 15:17 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-07 15:27 -0400
        Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:28 +0000
          Re: iCloud Hacked Article Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-08-08 11:39 +0200
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 10:44 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 14:59 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2012-08-09 10:50 +0100
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2012-08-08 17:40 -0700
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-09 07:55 -0600
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:40 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:15 -0400
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-08-08 11:42 -0400
            Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 15:19 +0000
              Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-08 15:44 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 18:36 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-08 19:21 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-08 21:09 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 05:34 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-09 10:45 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-08-09 17:39 +0000
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-09 11:12 -0400
                Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-10 01:08 +0000
    Re: iCloud Hacked Article Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-07 22:59 -0400
      Re: iCloud Hacked Article Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-08 04:31 +0000

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