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Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped?

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On Friday 07 June 2019 03:28:57 pm Jonathan Dowland wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:48:17AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >Neither can I and this "service" is not a familiar term since this is
> > my first expedition into systemd territory.
>
> Try the systemd.service manual page to find out more.
>
> >Drivewire was written in Java, and changes in Java from wheezy to
> > stretch have killed that, but a replacement is being written in
> > python in hopes it might be a more stable language. We as a group,
> > had no clue that Java would be changed to be so damned incompatible
> > with itself.
>
> This is quite an aside, but I was interested in this problem. Wheezy
> was released in 2013, and Stretch in 2017, 4 years later. I'm finding
> it hard to answer what version of Java was in Wheezy, due to its age,
> but I think it's OpenJDK 7.  Stretch has OpenJDK 8, one major version
> further on. There are no doubt compatibility problems between 7 and 8,
> but relatively few (and certainly a lot fewer than 8 → 11).
>
> Java's compatibility story is — relative to most comparable languages
> — very good. I regularly run a Java program originally written 20
> years ago. If you're going with Python make sure you start with Python
> 3, not 2.
>
> >I can likely go with the flow as long as its documented in readily
> >accessable form, something that L.P. is good at, he writes nice
> > "papers" on his stuff but hides that info from the unwashed by not
> > putting out decent man-pages.
>
> I'm surprised you think that, because I find the systemd man-pages to
> be excellent. Have you read them or is this hearsay?
>
But first you need to know the name of the man page. You can't read it if 
you don't know its true name...

> > I disagree loudly about that but the exclusion of
> >examples from manpages seems like an insidious attack on the users
> >intelligence.
>
> …I'd guess hearsay because they have plenty of examples. A quick check
> shows EXAMPLES sections in at least systemd.unit(5) and
> systemd.target(5).

That's a sample of two, how many manpages has systemd spawned by now?

> >I give you the present state of the docs for ip as an
> >example of how NOT to do a man page.
>
> Much like the tool, I find it terrible. And not comparable to
> systemd's man-pages at all. I quite look forward to whatever replaces
> "ip" (sooner rather than later)

it can't happen fast enough for me, as theres a possibility I might not 
last long enough to see it.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> - 2019-06-07 00:20 +0200
  Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-07 07:30 +0200
    Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-07 12:30 +0200
      Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-07 17:50 +0200
        Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-07 21:30 +0200
        Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-07 21:30 +0200
          Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-07 21:40 +0200
          Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-06-07 23:20 +0200
          Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-08 03:50 +0200
            Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-08 11:00 +0200
              Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-06-08 11:10 +0200
                Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-08 11:30 +0200
                Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-06-29 08:50 +0200
              Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-08 17:30 +0200
                Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-06-08 21:30 +0200
        Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-07 21:30 +0200
          Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-08 03:40 +0200
      Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-07 21:30 +0200
        systemd-nspawn (was Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped?) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-07 22:00 +0200
        Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-08 03:40 +0200

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