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Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped?

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On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 11:48:17AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>Neither can I and this "service" is not a familiar term since this is my
>first expedition into systemd territory.

Try the systemd.service manual page to find out more.

>Drivewire was written in Java, and changes in Java from wheezy to stretch
>have killed that, but a replacement is being written in python in hopes
>it might be a more stable language. We as a group, had no clue that Java
>would be changed to be so damned incompatible with itself.

This is quite an aside, but I was interested in this problem. Wheezy was
released in 2013, and Stretch in 2017, 4 years later. I'm finding it hard to
answer what version of Java was in Wheezy, due to its age, but I think it's
OpenJDK 7.  Stretch has OpenJDK 8, one major version further on. There are no
doubt compatibility problems between 7 and 8, but relatively few (and certainly
a lot fewer than 8 → 11).

Java's compatibility story is — relative to most comparable languages — very
good. I regularly run a Java program originally written 20 years ago. If you're
going with Python make sure you start with Python 3, not 2.

>I can likely go with the flow as long as its documented in readily
>accessable form, something that L.P. is good at, he writes nice "papers"
>on his stuff but hides that info from the unwashed by not putting out
>decent man-pages.

I'm surprised you think that, because I find the systemd man-pages to
be excellent. Have you read them or is this hearsay?

> I disagree loudly about that but the exclusion of
>examples from manpages seems like an insidious attack on the users
>intelligence.

…I'd guess hearsay because they have plenty of examples. A quick check shows
EXAMPLES sections in at least systemd.unit(5) and systemd.target(5).

>I give you the present state of the docs for ip as an
>example of how NOT to do a man page.

Much like the tool, I find it terrible. And not comparable to systemd's
man-pages at all. I quite look forward to whatever replaces "ip" (sooner
rather than later)

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Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> - 2019-06-07 00:20 +0200
  Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-07 07:30 +0200
    Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-07 12:30 +0200
      Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-07 17:50 +0200
        Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-07 21:30 +0200
        Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-07 21:30 +0200
          Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-07 21:40 +0200
          Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-06-07 23:20 +0200
          Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-08 03:50 +0200
            Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-08 11:00 +0200
              Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2019-06-08 11:10 +0200
                Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-08 11:30 +0200
                Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-06-29 08:50 +0200
              Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-08 17:30 +0200
                Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-06-08 21:30 +0200
        Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-07 21:30 +0200
          Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-08 03:40 +0200
      Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-07 21:30 +0200
        systemd-nspawn (was Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped?) Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-06-07 22:00 +0200
        Re: What is agetty, and why can't it be stopped? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-06-08 03:40 +0200

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