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Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates

Subject Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.computer.workshop
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From % <pursent100@gmail.com>
Date 2025-04-23 07:01 -0700
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pothead wrote:
> On 2025-04-21, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 4/18/25 16:46, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-04-17 10:04, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>>>> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-16 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:55:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At what point do we finally give up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When the people start to see through those vendors’ multi-million-dollar
>>>>>>>>> marketing campaigns telling everybody how wonderful they are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other words, never.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would blame the ignorance of the common user much more than any
>>>>>>>> marketing campaign. You'd be surprised at how oblivious most people are
>>>>>>>> to the operating system they're using. Heck, this complete disregard of
>>>>>>>> the operating system is part of what made it easy for me to "sell" the
>>>>>>>> idea of using Linux to people who owned HP laptops which had tremendous
>>>>>>>> problems with Windows or to teachers who simply want to be able to use
>>>>>>>> their computers rather than constantly be locked out of them. As long as
>>>>>>>> the operating system manages to get the job done, they don't care if
>>>>>>>> it's Linux or Windows. My dad is one such person. He actually much
>>>>>>>> preferred Mint to Windows when I installed it on a cheap laptop I got
>>>>>>>> him, but he's fine with Windows on the Intel NUC he eventually replaced
>>>>>>>> that machine with. Until it bugs out, there is no reason to switch over.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can confirm, at least in some cases.  My wife needed a new laptop, but
>>>>>>> she wanted Apple.  They're expensive, far more so when all you do is use
>>>>>>> a web-browser.  So I said I'll take care of the laptop, I'll find one
>>>>>>> that is second hand, and will be supported for a long long time.  (One
>>>>>>> of the bugbears she had about Apple was how the OS and software become
>>>>>>> obsolete and could not be upgraded).  I put Linux, and there was a tiny
>>>>>>> bit of teething because it was different, but she's been using it for
>>>>>>> years successfully.  She's has no idea about Linux, doesn't know she's
>>>>>>> running Fedora.  Shes used my desktop machine, so had a little
>>>>>>> familiarity with it.  But surprisingly, theres be no issues, and few
>>>>>>> questions, aside from "how do I copy files from the USB stick" and some
>>>>>>> desktop config.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's part of why I didn't mind that my very low bid for this Apple
>>>>>> laptop was successful, and that I needed to pursue the purchase. To an
>>>>>> Apple user, this MacBook Air 2017 is obsolete and meant for little more
>>>>>> than recycling. For me, it does everything I would need a laptop to do
>>>>>> at work. With Linux, it stays out of the landfill and can continue to be
>>>>>> used for another decade. Heck, I might use it until I retire. Unlike
>>>>>> most other teachers, I am _aware_ that it uses Linux, but I am also
>>>>>> aware that our work does not require this kind of hardware to be
>>>>>> upgraded as often as our boards and manufacturers require us to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that people who know next to nothing, will find a switch to
>>>>>>> Linux easier, because they have so few ingraned workflows and
>>>>>>> expectations, and use the system at such a shallow level, that you could
>>>>>>> switch and they'll barely notice, as long as the desktop is roughly
>>>>>>> similar.  It is more the intermediate users, who would be disrupted the
>>>>>>> most.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who
>>>>>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so
>>>>>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that
>>>>>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in
>>>>>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or
>>>>>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I switched a friend to Linux, as he wanted to escape Microsoft AI and
>>>>> surveillance and the like.  He wanted a distro most similar to Windows
>>>>> for the desktop, but as I had already installed Linux Mint on the
>>>>> laptop, using Cinnamon, I decided he's better off having his desktop
>>>>> computer configured to be the same as the laptop.  No issues so far.
>>>>> Cinnamon is quite Windows-like.  Gnome on the other hand, I think that
>>>>> is more of a leap.  I myself didn't really find it all that usable or
>>>>> appealing.
>>>>
>>>> I think if you're coming over from a Mac Ubuntu might be more appealing. I
>>>> say this just because it seems to look more like a Mac, not because of what
>>>> little Mac experience I have.
>>>
>>> I would say that Ubuntu's default interface is actually superior to what
>>> MacOS offers. It might not have hardware that integrates intelligently
>>> with the desktop, but it has a number of things Mac users can only
>>> manage to do if they install additional software. Snapping to the sides,
>>> for example. Ubuntu 25.04 also has hardware support that is superior to
>>> MacOS since it runs on practically every imaginable configuration under
>>> the sun, can detect just about any printer and scanner without requiring
>>> additional drivers, and even manages to have excellent gamepad support.
>>> For example, I have a Thrustmaster eSwap X Pro that needs additional
>>> software even in Windows. In 24.10, it didn't detect, but in 25.04 it
>>> works out of the box. I would say that this release actually works
>>> better on my hardware by default than even Windows does.
>>
>> I'm not really a fan of either Ubuntu's desktop or Mac's desktop, so I'll
>> not argue on this point. I know I don't like Window snapping, but there are
>> a few things in the Mac's desktop I don't like at all (I've mentioned them
>> in the past). So I'm quite willing to believe Ubuntu's desktop is better
>> than Mac's, but still not something I like or want to use.
>>
> 
> I'm not a fan of Ubuntu but I do respect what Apple has done with the Mac.
> Both my son and daughter are Macheads and for me seeing how all Apple
> devices integrate into the Mac is quite impressive.
> 
> I'm reasonably certain this can be done with Linux/Windows although
> I have never tried but the point is with Apple it just picks up the devices
> and works.
> 
> Of course that convienience factor is going to cost you plenty.
> Not worth it for me.
> 
>

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Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-16 08:55 -0400
  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-17 03:06 +0000
    Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 08:48 -0400
      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-17 14:04 +0000
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-17 10:14 -0400
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-18 05:36 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:23 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-18 09:35 +0000
                Wayland (was: Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-18 09:57 +0000
                Re: Wayland % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:21 -0700
                Re: Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-18 12:10 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-18 10:51 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-18 12:08 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-19 10:24 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:20 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-18 10:11 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:57 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-19 10:01 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-18 07:24 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:51 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:46 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 05:01 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 08:00 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 22:10 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:48 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:48 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:45 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 05:00 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 07:59 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 20:12 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:00 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 22:08 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 00:58 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-22 01:05 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:16 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:11 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 07:51 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:58 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 18:23 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 15:03 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:45 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:15 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:09 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:53 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-22 18:40 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:20 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 09:09 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 12:45 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-21 21:06 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 06:13 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-22 08:54 -0400
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-21 10:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-21 12:35 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 20:54 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:19 -0700
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:21 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:46 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-19 07:43 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 04:47 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 02:33 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:48 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 04:07 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:02 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 05:22 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-23 07:21 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:03 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 07:01 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-24 08:42 -0400
      Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> - 2025-04-18 09:36 +0100
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-18 18:07 +0000
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-19 21:56 +1000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-19 09:15 -0400
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-21 01:46 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 02:22 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 02:29 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 03:58 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-23 04:11 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 07:36 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-23 18:16 -0500
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-24 00:14 +0000
              Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-21 19:40 +1000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-21 10:41 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-21 16:09 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 12:22 -0700
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:38 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 14:47 -0500
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-23 04:02 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-23 08:38 -0400
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:32 +0000
                Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 19:58 +1000
        Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-21 05:43 +0000
          Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-21 19:25 +0000
            Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 12:33 -0700
  Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 05:02 -0400

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